Now:

https://youtu.be/vQ-rpJ8Upyg

Mark announced on this forum that he hoped his vote for Trump would foment war and the fall of the Republic.   The value of his judgment is established.

Mavigogun wrote on 12/10/19 at 07:04:32:


I think that was TT.

"Throughout this inquiry, he has attempted to conceal the evidence from Congress and the American people.   Our President holds the ultimate public trust; when he betrays that trust, and puts himself before country, he endangers the Constitution, he endangers our Democracy, and he endangers our National security.  The framers of the Constitution proscribed a clear remedy for Presidents who so violate their oath of office: that is the power of impeachment."

"Today, in service to our duty to the Constitution and to our country, the House Committee on the Judiciary is introducing two articles of impeachment, charging the President of the United States — Donald J. Trump — with committing high crimes and misdemeanors.  

The first article is for abuse of power.   It is an impeachable offense for the President to exercise the powers of this public office to obtain an improper personal benefit while ignoring or injuring the National Interest; that is exactly what Trump did when he solicited and pressured Ukraine to interfere in our 2020 Presidential election- thus damaging our National Security, undermining the integrity of the next election, and violating his oath to the American people.  

These actions, moreover, are consistent with President Trump's previous invitations of foreign interference in our 2016 presidential election- and when he was caught -when the House investigated, and opened an impeachment inquiry- President Trump engaged in unprecedented, categorical, and indiscriminate defiance oft he impeachment inquiry.  

This gives rise to the second article of impeachment for the obstruction of Congress.   Here, too, we see a familiar pattern in President Trump's misconduct.   A president who declares himself above accountability, above the American people, and above Congress's Power of Impeachment- which is meant to protect against threats to our democratic institutions -is a President who sees himself as above the law.   We must be clear: no one- not even the president -is above the law."

MnSpring wrote on 12/10/19 at 08:11:37:


I don't believe that's possible- the distinction and differences in context are so abundantly clear, your question betrays a lack of good faith regard of our circumstance.   You will need to chew your own food, resolve to put your country over your tribal enmity, and answer the question for yourself in order to arrive at an honest understanding.   While I wish you luck, what you ask is a fools errand.  

There doesn't seem to be a persuasive argument to explain why the key voters in those 5 or 6 key states, who voted for Trump despite all the issues surrounding him, would switch (or not vote) in sufficient numbers that would swing the 2020 election to Warren?

Biden has zero chance moving forward. He's a bubbling idiot as of late when he talks and if this moves into a trial in the Senate, Little Adam Shitt won't be able to gavel away unpleasant facts he doesn't want to come out. Uncle Joe will come out of this looking like a typical corrupt politician and a stroke victim waiting to happen. Either way, he's walking The Green Mile.

Back to the voters in those key states who voted for a completely unknown, crazy Donald Trump in 2016; the economy in those states is doing fine. No way those people who have already displayed a trait of bucking the trend, are going to vote for Warren who's pitch is to put their kids on Medicare,