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Reply #30 - 12/12/19 at 09:44:30
 

"The first part of your statement is true, not so sure about the second."

 It depends on if we are asking if Obama ordered someone to not reply to a subpoena, or if the person chose not to, or refused to answer questions.

 For instance when Lois Lerner made a statement but refused to answer questions.  To me, that is contempt but not a violation of subpoena since Lerner did indeed appear.  I consider it the same result with Ben Rhodes.

 In the case of David Simas it was Neil Eggleston who sent forth the order to not testify.  That could be considered Obama, but to me, it's not the same as Trump making the statement himself, however the end result is indeed the same.

 
 Holder was found in criminal contempt contempt.
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Reply #31 - 12/12/19 at 14:05:03
 
pg wrote on 12/12/19 at 04:49:22:
That is a fine example of duplicity, the guile of trying to capture the moral high ground while hitting below the belt.


You dwell where you choose to dwell- there is no other place to address you.  Morality, ethics, integrity are not captured, but a place to freely reside.  Blaming me for your lamentable choices won't garner unearned elevation; do the work to make yourself a better man, or not- the choice is yours alone.

You seemed to need some help with vocabulary, so I've asked Google to explain a word for you- and as luck would have it, the example is topical:

du·plic·i·ty
/d(y)o͞oˈplisədē/
noun

   deceitfulness; double-dealing.
   "the president was accused of duplicity in his dealings with Congress"
   synonyms: deceitfulness, deceit, deception, deviousness, two-facedness, double-dealing, underhandedness, dishonesty, falseness, falsity, fraud, fraudulence, sharp practice, swindling, cheating, chicanery, trickery, craft, guile, artifice, subterfuge, skulduggery, treachery, unfairness, unjustness, perfidy, improbity, crookedness, shadiness, foxiness, dirty tricks, shenanigans, monkey business, funny business, hanky-panky, jiggery-pokery, monkeyshines, codology, knavery, knavishness, management
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Reply #32 - 12/12/19 at 14:12:08
 
The President solicited foreign powers to intercede on his behalf in our elections.  He will be held to account.
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Reply #33 - 12/12/19 at 14:28:17
 
Eegore wrote on 12/12/19 at 09:44:30:
"The first part of your statement is true, not so sure about the second."

 It depends on if we are asking if Obama ordered someone to not reply to a subpoena, or if the person chose not to, or refused to answer questions.

 For instance when Lois Lerner made a statement but refused to answer questions.  To me, that is contempt but not a violation of subpoena since Lerner did indeed appear.  I consider it the same result with Ben Rhodes.

 In the case of David Simas it was Neil Eggleston who sent forth the order to not testify.  That could be considered Obama, but to me, it's not the same as Trump making the statement himself, however the end result is indeed the same.

 
 Holder was found in criminal contempt contempt.


Just heard Alan Dershowitz explain this......

It was something like, on matters of privilege, its is for the court to decide, when its application is used, but called into question....

To allow the house to issue a contempt, or obstruction charge, would then in fact be granting the house, more power than it has and ignoring the separation of powers......

In other words they would be guilty of what they charge the executive branch with.

You might have heard the excuse it would take to much time, to go that route, and he needs to be removed BEFORE the election.....Nadler said as much yesterday, where he couldn't trust the people to vote properly......WHOA

However, that is where this argument resides, NOT in the house, where it serves as judge, and jury........  Grin  

Get a order from them, after arguments, and then enforce it, if granted in the house favor, or give it up.....
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Reply #34 - 12/12/19 at 14:56:18
 
Look, the idea that Congress is sssssooooo upset and up in arms about someone crapping all over the constitution (insert whatever over the top phrase you’ve heard) is laughable. No one in Congress really cares about that because they do it every day.

Just be honest, this is only about using the impeachment clause to hopefully weaken his re-election effort. That’s all. Nothing else.
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Reply #35 - 12/12/19 at 15:45:14
 
Mavigogun wrote on 12/12/19 at 14:05:03:
pg wrote on 12/12/19 at 04:49:22:
That is a fine example of duplicity, the guile of trying to capture the moral high ground while hitting below the belt.


You dwell where you choose to dwell- there is no other place to address you.  Morality, ethics, integrity are not captured, but a place to freely reside.  Blaming me for your lamentable choices won't garner unearned elevation; do the work to make yourself a better man, or not- the choice is yours alone.

You seemed to need some help with vocabulary, so I've asked Google to explain a word for you- and as luck would have it, the example is topical:

du·plic·i·ty
/d(y)o͞oˈplisədē/
noun

   deceitfulness; double-dealing.
   "the president was accused of duplicity in his dealings with Congress"
   synonyms: deceitfulness, deceit, deception, deviousness, two-facedness, double-dealing, underhandedness, dishonesty, falseness, falsity, fraud, fraudulence, sharp practice, swindling, cheating, chicanery, trickery, craft, guile, artifice, subterfuge, skulduggery, treachery, unfairness, unjustness, perfidy, improbity, crookedness, shadiness, foxiness, dirty tricks, shenanigans, monkey business, funny business, hanky-panky, jiggery-pokery, monkeyshines, codology, knavery, knavishness, management




Yes I chose that word for a reason, and I feel it was very appropriate.

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Reply #36 - 12/13/19 at 06:19:43
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/12/19 at 14:56:18:
No one in Congress really cares about that because they do it every day.


Ever your recourse when posturing reflects poorly and the record defies your narrative-  declare everyone without integrity; be it "the media" or the entirety of Congress, you can't resist lying.    I can't fathom what you imagine is gained in exchange for credibility.
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Reply #37 - 12/13/19 at 06:36:48
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/12/19 at 14:56:18:
Just be honest, this is only about using the impeachment clause to hopefully weaken his re-election effort. That’s all. Nothing else.

Can't you be honest and admit, Trump only wanted Ukraine investigation to weaken Biden?...

You seem to have 20/20 tunnel vision.

The difference is, Trump broke the law,.. Dem's are enforcing it.
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Reply #38 - 12/13/19 at 06:41:36
 
what law?
Point me to the specific law in the federal criminal code that he violated.
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Reply #39 - 12/13/19 at 06:53:01
 
Can't you be honest and admit, Trump only wanted Ukraine investigation to weaken Biden?...

Just solely for the purpose? No, I wouldn’t  agree with that. I think he did it for two reasons.

Number one is his long-standing fight against Hillary‘s and the DNC‘s work that originated out of Ukraine about the fictitious Steele dossier and the overall Russian conspiracy nonsense. That was the primary purpose and that’s obvious in the transcript.

Number two was to bring to everyone’s attention what a slimeball Joe Biden and his son are. Like I said before, I’ve got no problem with that. I think in retrospect, he shouldn’t of done it but it’s not an impeachable offense. I’m not even sure it’s a violation of any reasonable interpretation of the law.
Hunter Biden was obviously hired to get influence from the vice president, his father. And in fact that’s exactly what happened. The bottom line to all of this is Joe Biden is crooked like every other politician. You can dismiss this with the wave of your hand as much as you want but you’re only doing that because it’s a way to attack Trump. The country is a better place knowing Hunter Biden is no longer in a position to influence US policy if Joe Biden had been elected president in 2020. Consider that for a moment. If Joe Biden had been elected in 2020 and his son had remained in that BS position, what shenanigans would’ve gone on?
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Reply #40 - 12/13/19 at 07:49:11
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/13/19 at 06:53:01:
Consider that for a moment. If Joe Biden had been elected in 2020 and his son had remained in that BS position, what shenanigans would’ve gone on?

Seriously?...

Trump just got awarded 38 trademarks from China, including one for an escort service.
Chinese government granted a total of 18 trademarks to companies linked to U.S. President Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka
And additional 5 were grated to Ivanka alone.
China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia
Kushner company received $285M loan from Deutsche Bank.

Do you think Biden might do something like that?...
Gee,.. that would be terrible.
I'm so glad Trump is clearing that up.
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Reply #41 - 12/13/19 at 08:03:56
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/13/19 at 07:49:11:
WebsterMark wrote on 12/13/19 at 06:53:01:

Consider that for a moment. If Joe Biden had been elected in 2020 and his son had remained in that BS position, what shenanigans would’ve gone on?

Seriously?...

Trump just got awarded 38 trademarks from China, including one for an escort service.
Chinese government granted a total of 18 trademarks to companies linked to U.S. President Donald Trump and his daughter Ivanka
And additional 5 were grated to Ivanka alone.
China Contributing $500 Million to Trump-Linked Project in Indonesia
Kushner company received $285M loan from Deutsche Bank.

Do you think Biden might do something like that?...
Gee,.. that would be terrible.
I'm so glad Trump is clearing that up
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One more liberal talking point I seemed to have heard too much of in the limited time I have listened/read media. Trademarks are worthless at the time of the award. You can draw up something and put a word to it and if its unique enough - Lets say I make savage parts and my brand will be "savvvage of Sveeden greeeeeneee parts" and pic of a savage puffing out fluffy white clouds of pure oxygen - that can be trademarked. I think a few 100 will do it for fees. That brand is worth a lot less than the few 100 I paid the trademark office. But I build a few 1000 parts and sell em establishing a market and logo it everywhere and everyone will buy it etc etc. Then the "trademarked brand name" is worth a lot of $$$.

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Reply #42 - 12/13/19 at 08:20:51
 
Do you think Biden might do something like that?...
Gee,.. that would be terrible.
I'm so glad Trump is clearing that up

Well, if we’re gonna play that game, imagine if Don Jr or Ivanka took a job in Russia in an industry they had zero experience in and making $1 million a year. You would automatically associate that with corruption and demand something be done.
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Reply #43 - 12/13/19 at 08:23:17
 
If by some impossible miracle Michael Bloomberg got elected, don’t you think as an international multi millionaire doing business in multiple countries overseas would have similar conflicts? As we transition possibly to a world where presidents are not historical politicians, get used to this.
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Reply #44 - 12/13/19 at 08:57:53
 
" I’m not even sure it’s a violation of any reasonable interpretation of the law."

 Violation of law is not required to impeach a President.

 People keep asking to show what laws he broke, or claiming he is being held accountable for violating law.  Thats not necessary.

 The question is did Trump withhold US Military aid in an effort to damage his political opponent?

 The next question is, If the answer to above is Yes, then is it impeachable?

 My opinion is that this would be a whole lot easier on a President who didn't deny things he is recorded doing, didn't deflect, or retaliate against even the slightest negative comment.  It would be easier still if Republican Public Service staff were able to disagree with the president without immediate retaliation from the White House.

 I'm sure a decent number of people would say Trump acted inappropriately, could have re-phrased his request, been "more clear" in his intent etc. but instead they feel they have to deny, not comment at all, or support the POTUS even though they know that's not the most prudent way to handle this situation.

 He's literally keeping politicians from being political.
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