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IG Report: Russia Investigation Valid
12/09/19 at 12:10:42
 
The Inspector General Report on the FBI investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 US election concluded:

  • the FBI investigation was justified

  • no evidence of bias or political motive

  • FISA warrant presentation sub-standard


FBI Director copped to sub-standard performance at the Bureau, while recognizing the legitimacy of findings and warning of ongoing Russian efforts.
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Reply #1 - 12/09/19 at 12:37:16
 
Trump says, see I told you, and this nuts is so confusing, the deplorables believe he's not guilty. So do most of the clueless. That covers 90% of the country.
You know the saying right.
5% of people think.
10% of people think they think.
The other 90% would rather die than think.

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Reply #2 - 12/09/19 at 16:02:30
 
Key word......START.

Of course they will take any "rumors" seriously, when it involves the presidential election........

Now, the rest, all the irregularities, exculpatory evidence, omissions, etc......went AGAINST Trump......when, if they would had done the RIGHT THING, the investigation would have STOPPED, and he would not had to DEFEND himself.... against these lies, and now you call that obstruction.......of what......NOTHING.

You even know what exculpatory evidence is?

Exculpatory evidence is evidence favorable to the defendant in a criminal trial that exonerates or tends to exonerate the defendant of guilt.[1] It is the opposite of inculpatory evidence, which tends to present guilt.

In many countries, including the United States, police and prosecutors are required to disclose to the defendant exculpatory evidence they possess before the defendant enters a plea (guilty or not guilty).[2]

Per the Brady v. Maryland decision, prosecutors have a duty to disclose exculpatory evidence even if not requested to do so. While the prosecution is not required to search for exculpatory evidence and must disclose only the evidence in its possession, custody, or control, the prosecution's duty is to disclose all information known to any member of its team, e.g., police, investigators, crime labs, et cetera. In Brady v. Maryland, the U.S. Supreme Court held that such a requirement follows from constitutional due process and is consistent with the prosecutor's duty to seek justice.[3]


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Reply #3 - 12/09/19 at 16:09:39
 
The US Attorney conducting his investigation took the step of releasing a statement that he does not agree with the findings of the IG report.

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Reply #4 - 12/09/19 at 17:03:27
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/09/19 at 16:09:39:
The US Attorney conducting his investigation took the step of releasing a statement that he does not agree with the findings of the IG report.


Yeah, Barr doesn't agree either...
I'm sure Trump and Gulliani won't either.
Did we expect anything else?... Grin
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Reply #5 - 12/09/19 at 17:25:02
 
srinath wrote on 12/09/19 at 12:37:16:
...and this is so confusing...


That is the point, rather than exonerate Trump or attack witnesses the main strategy is to sow as much confusion into everything as possible.

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WebsterMark wrote on 12/09/19 at 16:09:39:
The US Attorney... does not agree with the findings of the IG report.


Comedy gold!
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Reply #6 - 12/09/19 at 18:01:32
 
So you have no idea what the US Attorney’s report will say and you already dismiss it?
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Reply #7 - 12/09/19 at 19:03:15
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/09/19 at 18:01:32:
So you have no idea what the US Attorney’s report will say and you already dismiss it?


Mark....its a foregone conclusion, always has been....they are yelling obstruction, when in fact all Trump was doing is defending himself, that he should not have had to do, if they would have followed the procedures of exculpatory evidence.....but they wanted to find a way to make it stick, at any cost.....

None of that would even be in discussion, if they didn't skirt the laws and rules, which again, favored the outcome they wanted, and went against Trump.....ALL OF THEM....these mistakes  Roll Eyes

Nothing is going to change, the election will come, and if it stays to course, the libs will further sink, get more desperate, and turn off more undecided, swing, and minority voters.......
The left wanted Trump out before he got in....he was the one YELLING about interference in the election, and they all called him out on it, Obama said it could NOT happen, accept the results.....

Obama at a press conference with then-Italian Prime Minister Matteo Renzi just weeks before the election, in which Obama advised then-candidate Trump to “stop whining” about potential election rigging.

"There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, in part because they’re so decentralized and the numbers of votes involved,” Obama said.


Go look it up.

No investigation will change their minds, they are NOT interested in any truth.

Then after the election results, if they democrats lose the house, hopefully we can move on.

If not....they will become more vocal, and civil unrest will most likely  happen, with folks who won't show their faces.....

Even in liberal greater Seattle area, folks are getting tired of it, and this is one of liberals strongholds, but it quickly evaporates the further you get out of the city.....but believe me, folks even IN THE CITY, are getting tired of it.


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Reply #8 - 12/10/19 at 02:26:43
 
eau de sauvage wrote on 12/09/19 at 17:25:02:
That is the point, rather than exonerate Trump or attack witnesses the main strategy is to sow as much confusion into everything as possible.



The Democrats, diplomats and bureaucrats are confusing us instead of exonerating or convicting ? I don't understand, the maze of this diplomat said that, that bureaucrat said that etc etc is getting on my nerves.
BTW I have a healthy disdain for "gubbamint" officials, whose biggest skill seems to be to navigate the process of getting govt employment. I know a few people who list their skill as "works in government" Maybe its so top secret, they'd have to kill me if they told me. Except before that, they were a school administrator. So as a skill, its shuffling paperwork.
I don't got no patience for this crap.
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Reply #9 - 12/10/19 at 02:31:19
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/09/19 at 18:01:32:
So you have no idea what the US Attorney’s report will say and you already dismiss it?



I know what it will say. It will say we shuffled this paper through 30,000 copiers, 5000 computers made from 1985 to 1991, under 12,000 gubbamint fat a$$es in 57 countries and its been endorsed by 9 out of 10 bureaucrats and only 7.5 out of 8 peons.

They're called Fools, Bureaucrats and Idiots for a reason.

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Reply #10 - 12/10/19 at 04:00:38
 
WebsterMark wrote on 12/09/19 at 18:01:32:
So you have no idea what the US Attorney’s report will say and you already dismiss it?


Que? I'll take Lawfare's analysis, perhaps, you've been watching Fox.

Today, Justice Department Inspector General Michael Horowitz declared in more than 450 pages that the "Witch Hunt" narrative was nonsense. Yes, the investigation had problems—some of them serious. But the problems were not political in character. There was no effort to “get” candidate Trump. There was no “insurance policy.” There was no coup. There was no treason.


https://www.lawfareblog.com/inspector-generals-witch-hunt-report-quick-and-di...

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Reply #11 - 12/10/19 at 05:01:47
 
From Kim Stassell, WSJ reporter.

1) Key findings of Horowitz report:
--Yup, IG said FBI hit threshold for opening an investigation. But also goes out of its way to note what a "low threshold" this is. Durham's statement made clear he will provide more info for Americans to make a judgment on reasonableness.
2) The report is triumph for former House Intel Chair Devin Nunes, who first blew the whistle on FISA abuse. The report confirms all the elements of the February 2018 Nunes memo, which said dossier was as an "essential" part of applications, and FBI withheld info from FISA court
3)Conversely, report is an excoriation of  Adam Schiff and his "memo" of Feb 2018. That doc stated that "FBI and DOJ officials did NOT abuse the [FISA] process" or "omit material information." Also claimed FBI didn't much rely on dossier.
4)In fact, IG report says dossier played "central and essential role" in getting FISA warrants. Schiff had access to same documents as Nunes, yet chose to misinform the public.  This is the guy who just ran impeachment proceedings.


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Reply #12 - 12/10/19 at 05:04:20
 
5) Report is a devastating indictment of Steele, Fusion GPS and the "dossier." Report finds that about the only thing FBI ever corroborated in that doc were publicly available times, places, title names. Ouch.
6)IG finds 17 separate problems with FISA court submissions, including FBI's overstatement of Steele's credentials. Also the failure to provide court with exculpatory evidence and issues with Steele's sources and additional info it got about Steele's credibility.
7) Every one of these "issues" is a story all on its own. Example: The FBI had tapes of Page and Papadopoulos making statements that were inconsistent with FBI's own collusion theories. They did not provide these to the FISA court.
8) Another example: FBI later got info from professional contacts with Steele who said he suffered from "lack of self awareness, poor judgement" and "pursued people" with "no intelligence value." FBI also did not tell the court about these credibility concerns.
9)And this: FBI failed to tell Court that Page was approved as an "operational contact" for another U.S. agency, and "candidly" reported his interactions with a Russian intel officer. FBI instead used that Russian interaction against Page, with no exculpatory detail.


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Reply #13 - 12/10/19 at 05:08:08
 
10)Overall, IG was so concerned by these "extensive compliance failures" that is has now initiated additional "oversight" to assess how FBI in general complies with "policies that seek to protect the civil liberties of U.S. persons."
11) Report also expressed concerns about FBI's failure to present any of these issues to DOJ higher ups; its ongoing contacts with Steele after he was fired for talking to media; and its use of spies against the campaign without any DOJ input.
12) Remember Comey telling us it was  no big deal who  paid for dossier? Turns out it was a big deal in FBI/DOJ, where one lawyer (Stuart Evans) expressed "concerns" it had been funded by Clinton/DNC. Because of his "consistent inquiries" we go that convoluted footnote.
13) IG also slaps FBI for using what was supposed to be a baseline briefing for the Trump campaign of foreign intelligence threats as a surreptitious opportunity to investigate Flynn.
14) Finally, intriguing just how many people at the FBI don't remember anything about anything. Highly convenient.
15)Last point. When IG says he found no "documentary" evidence of bias, he means just that: He didn't find smoking gun email that says "let's take out Trump." And it isn't his job to guess at the motivations of FBI employees. Instead...
16) He straightforwardly lays out facts. Those facts produce a pattern of FBI playing the FISA Court--overstating some info, omitting other info, cherrypicking details. Americans can look at totality and make their own judgment as to "why" FBI behaved in such a manner.



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Reply #14 - 12/10/19 at 05:26:21
 
Trump looked into the camera on live TV and asked for Russian interference in the election.

Trump's campaign shared polling and demographics in key districts with  Russian intelligence.

Trump-contracted social engineering company Cambridge Analytica coordinated with Russian State propaganda machine The Internet Research Agency to influence the vote; Trump himself repeated Internet Research Agency propaganda.

The Independent Counsel demonstrated multiple Trump campaign members lied about contact with Russian operatives; several have been sentenced for related crimes and are serving time in prison right now.

The Independent Counsel determined Trump obstructed Counsel's investigation of Russia's concerted effort to impact the US election outcome.

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These are just a few matters of record- not conjecture, not supposition, not obvious conclusions on the order of hearing a gunshot then seeing a person with a smoking gun standing over a corpse with a fresh bullet hole.   These are just a handful of facts out of the pile.

Trump solicited Russian help with his 2016 bid for the Presidency; he coordinated with that effort.   Since then, he has solicited Ukraine and China to take part in the 2020 election.   The FBI investigation into candidate Trump's campaign has been completely validated.

Trump is a criminal, violated our trust and the Constitution.  We don't know yet if Republican efforts will prevent holding Trump to account for what he has done, while he remains in office.   We just don't know.  What we know, without any shade of doubt, is that those of you who are complicit in covering for Trump will carry that stain forever.
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