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Reply #15 - 12/09/19 at 07:42:33
 
Murderous crazies WILL murder.
Now the government is pushing against Frikken KNIVES,, including your kitchen knives. Dull points are the new normal.
Failed thinking , making people more vulnerable to attack, only leads to more violence. Look at where the highest per capita concealed carry permits are. Look at the crime.
Now, go pretend it Isn't so.
Maintain freedom to protect yourself
And
Crush crime.
You lefties demand a 100% perfection rate to say it was successful.
BULLSHIT, life isn't that black and white.
Seatbelts don't always save people
But they are a really good idea.
Helmets help.. But..

And having a gun in a bad situation doesn't mean you won't get shot.
But, can anyone say
If I had been in the classroom when he started shooting, I would not have wished I had a gun?

Answer the question, lefties..

Do you want to be vulnerable and unarmed?
If your car didn't come from the factory with seatbelts, would you install some?
Why? If you would not want a gun when someone started shooting, why would you want a seatbelt? You obviously don't want to be protected. Toss th helmet.
They are for sissies.
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Reply #16 - 12/09/19 at 07:51:42
 

"Back to original topic."

 What post wasn't about this topic?
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Reply #17 - 12/09/19 at 07:56:28
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/09/19 at 07:42:33:
If I had been in the classroom when he started shooting, I would not have wished I had a gun?

Answer the question, lefties..

Sure,... and if I were in a car accident, I would wish I were wearing full leathers and FF helmet, and armored gloves.
...but I don't drive that way, and I don't want to.
If there were no speed limits, and no traffic rules, and no police, no insurance, and no licensing... I probably would... begrudgingly...

In a Mad Max world, we'd all wear armor and carry guns...
It's not my ideal world.
Why strive for dystopia?...
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Reply #18 - 12/09/19 at 07:59:33
 

"Now the government is pushing against Frikken KNIVES,, including your kitchen knives. Dull points are the new normal."

 This is entirely incorrect.  Unless of course you consider all governments to be US Government.

 If using the UK as an example of dulling knives then by that logic I will use China's government to say "the government" has made knives illegal.

 The government has made all knives illegal !!  See how that works?


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Reply #19 - 12/09/19 at 08:06:23
 
"If there were no speed limits, and no traffic rules, and no police, no insurance, and no licensing... I probably would... begrudgingly..."

Well that's not at all the comparison.  Nobody is saying to allow open carry and also eliminate every gun law. (Except MnSpring indicated "every" gun law is illegal)

 The question is if your car, given the current laws, did not have seatbelts, would you have some put in?  An easier way of examining this is asking if there were no seatbelt laws, would you wear one anyway?

 If assaulted, would you want the best means of protecting yourself, your family, or those around you?  If a firearm was the best method, would you want it?  None of those questions however will address gun free zones and their impact on safety.

 Bottom line is "gun free" zones do not increase safety, as mass shooters do not follow them.  I would be open to information that indicates that murderers stop when they see a sign.

 Another issue is considering any area that won't allow 100% of the people inside it to be armed is "gun free" because that is not accurate.  A nightclub that prohibits people consuming alcohol to carry guns, is not a gun free zone.  
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Reply #20 - 12/09/19 at 08:39:44
 
I look at gun free zones as an issue of policing.
In an area where many people are gathering, especially children... designating it as "gun free" allows security to consider the act of carry as criminal, and enables them to legally detain this person.
These are areas where the number of people make a tempting target for a mass shooter, and hamper security.
Stopping a shooter in these places quickly and safely is nearly impossible.
A ten second spray of bullets would cause devastating harm before any defense could be made, and returned fire would endanger too many bystanders.
Therefore,.. keeping guns out is the only solution.

It's not perfect, but this is the culture we live in.
The "gun free zone" is not to stop the shooter from bringing the gun,.. it's to allow security to identify the shooter.  They can look for suspicious bulges, packages, behaviors, etc...

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Reply #21 - 12/09/19 at 08:49:17
 
Eegore wrote on 12/09/19 at 08:06:23:
(Except MnSpring indicated "every" gun law is illegal)

And where was it I said that ?

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Reply #22 - 12/09/19 at 09:14:07
 
The facts are pretty obvious, outside police responded within 90 seconds.
No teachers, not even mp's.
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Reply #23 - 12/09/19 at 11:49:09
 

(Except MnSpring indicated "every" gun law is illegal)

And where was it I said that ?


 We already went through this.  You didn't say it, you presented it in part of an article.  To clarify MNSpring did not type himself the phrase "every gun law is illegal" he has presented the concept by providing information on this forum that has stated it. That is an exception to the standard presentation of material that has said we could enforce current gun laws, something MnSpring has typed.
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Reply #24 - 12/09/19 at 11:53:09
 
"I look at gun free zones as an issue of policing.
In an area where many people are gathering, especially children... designating it as "gun free" allows security to consider the act of carry as criminal, and enables them to legally detain this person."

 I look at "gun free" zones as an area where nobody has access to a weapon, including security and staff.  For instance at a medical center I worked in the facility went "gun free" so nobody, including security could carry a weapon.

 So at schools some staff could be armed in accordance to your version of "gun free", such as security ?
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Reply #25 - 12/09/19 at 15:04:25
 
Serowbot wrote on 12/09/19 at 08:39:44:
I look at gun free zones as an issue of policing.
In an area where many people are gathering, especially children... designating it as "gun free" allows security to consider the act of carry as criminal, and enables them to legally detain this person.
These are areas where the number of people make a tempting target for a mass shooter, and hamper security.
Stopping a shooter in these places quickly and safely is nearly impossible.
A ten second spray of bullets would cause devastating harm before any defense could be made, and returned fire would endanger too many bystanders.
Therefore,.. keeping guns out is the only solution.

It's not perfect, but this is the culture we live in.
The "gun free zone" is not to stop the shooter from bringing the gun,.. it's to allow security to identify the shooter.  They can look for suspicious bulges, packages, behaviors, etc...



However you're looking at it, bunches of dead kids and teachers are a testament to how well it works.

Haven't seen a shooting at a school with a sign out front saying

Teachers and staff are armed and trained in the defense of our students.

A few miles away such a school exists..
Very comforting to see.
Your way has been a total failure.
No
Gun Free zone sign needs to exist for teachers to be looking for indicators of a kid with a gun.
Look at crime where
Law Abiding Citizens are carrying.
It's dropping.
Look at lefty shitholes.
Murder and mayhem in lefty places.

But what America NEEDS is more of your failed ideology.

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Reply #26 - 12/10/19 at 05:59:03
 
School shootings are a bit of a different set of phenomenon.

Some of them were the bully, and here Obama's "not create a school to prison pipeline" of not putting this crap on someone's records and hence scarring them for life - yea, seriously, I think Parkland was this.
Some of the shooters were being bullied. This is sad, if they see bullies getting punished or atleast taken out of the way, this should have been prevented.
Some of them were weirdos who weren't bullied. This was also easy to identify, most of their friends knew, said so and never got acted upon, thereby discouraging such feedback.

About the lefty crapholes with stringent gun laws being crime infested, do we have any evidence they weren't crime infested crapholes before gun laws ? I would guess not. Gun laws did nothing to gun violence to those because city level gun laws make no sense unless you wall off the city after fishing out every gun in there, and don't let any one with a gun back in there by metal detectors and cops at the gates of the city. Yea, we're gonna need a wall around every gun free city. Stupid Idea.

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Reply #27 - 12/10/19 at 07:44:24
 
Eegore wrote on 12/09/19 at 11:49:09:

(Except MnSpring indicated "every" gun law is illegal)

WOW, first eegore said the above.
then back pedaled saying:
"You didn't say it",

Yet implied I did, only, because I posted a article.
"you presented it in part of an article"

Then said, "because those words repeated were", (according to eegore), a exception to the standard presentation.
it was something, "MnSpring has typed.".

Which is not true, because it was, 'cut and paste'.
(Kinna like the triple negatives eegor uses often)

I wonder, did eegore learn how to spin, deceive, and deflect from tt and clones.
or did tt and clones, learn that from eegore ?



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Reply #28 - 12/10/19 at 07:54:37
 
MnSpring wrote on 12/10/19 at 07:44:24:
I wonder, did eegore learn how to spin, deceive, and deflect from tt and clones.
or did tt and clones, learn that from eegore



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Reply #29 - 12/10/19 at 07:55:32
 
Eegore wrote on 12/09/19 at 07:51:42:
"Back to original topic."

 What post wasn't about this topic?



I was referring to the posts about Australia.

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