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Naval base shooting, where were the good guys
12/07/19 at 00:06:21

Just noticed this sentence in a report on the shooting...

It was the second shooting at a Navy base this week and sent sailors scrambling to lock the doors of their barracks or flee the base altogether.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/06/us/nas-pensacola-shooting.html

Which made me think, if this is the effect that a random surprise shooting has at a Navy base, then one wonders what the point is in training teachers to be the ones to confront gunmen?

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Re: Naval base shooting, where were the good guys
Reply #1 - 12/07/19 at 00:45:51

I've not been participating because I'm tired of dealing with the advanced levels of stupid, but pointing out to you that they were in training, and
In that building
Uhh,
The students weren't allowed to be armed.
No guns in the classroom..
It's a military base
And a no gun zone in the classroom..
Genius,, fukking genius..

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Reply #2 - 12/07/19 at 01:11:35

Military bases have armories.

They do not, and as far as I know have never let all enlisted personnel carry at all times. This does not mean a military base or sections of a military base is a no gun zone.

Enlisted personnel are not issued individual firearms that they carry with them all day, only specific professions do this, such as MP's. Guns are allowed in the education areas, if you are authorized to carry.

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Reply #3 - 12/07/19 at 05:55:04

The article is on their paid website and I already buy enough fiction so I see no need to spend money on more.

As someone who writes quite a bit for work, the phrase "sent sailors scrambling " and the word "flee" are used specifically to paint an image in your mind that the writer intended. Could it had been written "sailors moved quickly to more secured areas" and "others evacuated the base" ? Could have been.

Were you there? Did you witness it? Have you seen numerous incidents so that you could determine if this particular group acted more panicky, scrambling and fleeing, than average compared to others?

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Reply #4 - 12/07/19 at 13:55:04

@JoG,

as Eegore pointed out, it maybe a class room but it's on a fcking navy base, I'm sure there's more security there than a school.

The point is that this shows the futility of trying to stop a random angry teenager from killing a bunch of people if he wants to follow what others have done, and there appears to be a steady supply.

IOW I'm simply saying that expecting teachers to deal with armed intruders who could appear at any time is never going to tackle the problem of gun violence in schools.

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Reply #5 - 12/07/19 at 13:58:27

eau de sauvage wrote on 12/07/19 at 13:55:04:

The point is that this shows the futility of trying to stop a random angry teenager from killing a bunch of people if he wants to follow what others have done, and there appears to be a steady supply.

Unlike yourself I have a right to carry and I do...

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Reply #6 - 12/07/19 at 14:16:31

The point is that this shows the futility of trying to stop a random angry teenager from killing a bunch of people if he wants to follow what others have done, and there appea

No, not at all.

Had a few people in close proximity to the killer had been armed, the outcome would likely have been much different.

Question

If You had been there, would You have wanted a weapon, or is being vulnerable and defenseless how you like it?

Go ahead. Tell me
More guns isn't the answer..

That's Exactly what stopped it.

People with guns..

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Reply #7 - 12/07/19 at 16:50:12

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/07/19 at 14:16:31:

The point is that this shows the futility of trying to stop a random angry teenager from killing a bunch of people if he wants to follow what others have done, and there appea

No, not at all.

Had a few people in close proximity to the killer had been armed, the outcome would likely have been much different.

Question

If You had been there, would You have wanted a weapon, or is being vulnerable and defenseless how you like it?

Go ahead. Tell me
More guns isn't the answer..

That's Exactly what stopped it.

People with guns..

tell that to the family of the ups driver killed by the cops in Miami
trained in firearms......

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Re: Naval base shooting, where were the good guys
Reply #8 - 12/07/19 at 17:01:27

"tell that to the family of the ups driver killed by the cops in Miami
trained in firearms...… "

US military kill each other in friendly fire. Should we consider arming them to be too risky and disarm them as well?

Lifeguards have drowned, trained swimmers, maybe we shouldn't let people near the ocean.....

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Re: Naval base shooting, where were the good guys
Reply #9 - 12/08/19 at 14:20:08

Ythumperclone wrote on 12/07/19 at 16:50:12:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/07/19 at 14:16:31:

The point is that this shows the futility of trying to stop a random angry teenager from killing a bunch of people if he wants to follow what others have done, and there appea

No, not at all.

Had a few people in close proximity to the killer had been armed, the outcome would likely have been much different.

Question

If You had been there, would You have wanted a weapon, or is being vulnerable and defenseless how you like it?

Go ahead. Tell me
More guns isn't the answer..

That's Exactly what stopped it.

People with guns..

tell that to the family of the ups driver killed by the cops in Miami
trained in firearms......

The problem here is you're so twisted that you actually believe that is a real argument.
Cops screwed up.
Good Guys ACCIDENTALLY shoot good guys.
The idea is
Bad guys avoid starting nuts with a gun when they aren't sure about their victim being unarmed.

For the people who actually allow scientific evidence to direct their thinking, note, gun ownership and concealed carry have been increasing.
Gun violence
Decreasing
EXCEPT where lefties are in control.
Guns are restricted.
Law Abiding people are disarmed.
Gun violence is outta sight.
But you lefties are unwavering.
You're just in love with big government.
You disgust me.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28707 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Naval base shooting, where were the good guys Reply #10 - 12/08/19 at 14:32:36 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/08/19 at 14:20:08: Gun violence Decreasing Let me know when it gets as low as Australia...
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Naval base shooting, where were the good guys Reply #11 - 12/08/19 at 15:03:18 Serowbot wrote on 12/08/19 at 14:32:36: Let me know when it gets as low as Australia... One thing Australian does well is they have a merit based immigration system. I suppose an island in the middle of the ocean helps.... Best regards,
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8402	Re: Naval base shooting, where were the good guys Reply #12 - 12/08/19 at 16:31:29 "Let me know when it gets as low as Australia... " Let me know when Australia comes close to inner city gang activity and Cartels. Those weapons will end up the hands of civilians one way or another.
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Re: Naval base shooting, where were the good guys
Reply #13 - 12/08/19 at 16:46:25

Serowbot wrote on 12/08/19 at 14:32:36:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 12/08/19 at 14:20:08:

Gun violence
Decreasing

Let me know when it gets as low as Australia...

There ya go.. black and white,
You do know
Americans aren't subjects
But you tyrants want it that way.
Admit the POINT.
Lefties scream
More guns
More violence

But the EVIDENCE says otherwise.
So, deflect away.
Whatever it takes to hide from the obvious.
Your ways are proven to be failures.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Naval base shooting, where were the good guys Reply #14 - 12/09/19 at 05:00:41 Back to original topic. Those are some sinister a$$holes when they record the event so they may rejoice at a later time. Best regards,
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