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Reply #15 - 11/28/19 at 13:39:38
 
Mavigogun wrote on 11/27/19 at 05:49:14:
pg wrote on 11/27/19 at 03:50:01:
Abolishing ICE and advocating all immigrants have rights and a pathway to citizenship is close enough to me.


This is going to come as a shock to you, but everyone in our country has rights.   It's true.   I won't wait while you check.  

ICE has existed since 2003; those that would see it gone don't advocate for open borders in its elimination, rather what they see as an ill-conceived agency with a horribly executed mission.   Ocasio-Cortez specifically has made clear that she is not calling for the end of deportation.   We can disagree with her assessment and advocacy for ending ICE-as-we-know-it, but claiming it equates to open borders is simply not true.   Repeating and believing untrue things is antithetical to the democratic process- an educated electorate is essential.

A path to citizenship is not without condition- it's a path, after all -it's something we've always had.   The path Ocasio-Cortez advocates is for the so-called Dreamers- folks who grew up in the US, know no other country, have no other lives.

If you believe these nuanced positions equat to open borders, you are believing a lie.   I've made an effort you would not to educate you.   Continuing to repeat this lie will only describe you, not Ocasio-Cortez or the policy she advocates.   We'd all be better off were you to favor the truth.



AOC will be more than happy to allow droves of illegal immigrants into the country with the unbridled support of the Democrats nationwide.  

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Reply #16 - 11/28/19 at 14:35:44
 
pg wrote on 11/28/19 at 13:39:38:
AOC will be more than happy to allow droves of illegal immigrants into the country with the unbridled support of the Democrats nationwide.  

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He he, and they want them to move out into other states like SC and TX. Come in via CA and get citizenship and indoctrination, and move to TX and SC and importantly OH, FL etc. The whole aging nation thing shifts republican. Immigrants especially young and benefitting from Aocialist policies tend to be democraps. So have to send those to red states. If they stay in CA, well, its worthless. Winning CA by 3 million vs 4 million wont get them squat.
I'm really getting cynical in my old age.

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Reply #17 - 11/28/19 at 22:13:28
 
pg wrote on 11/28/19 at 13:39:38:
AOC will be more than happy to allow droves of illegal immigrants into the country with the unbridled support of the Democrats nationwide.


You’re a liar.
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Reply #18 - 11/28/19 at 22:16:22
 
srinath wrote on 11/28/19 at 14:35:44:
I'm really getting cynical in my old age.


I can’t attest to what you once were, but now, certainly delusional.
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Reply #19 - 11/29/19 at 02:48:16
 
Mavigogun wrote on 11/28/19 at 22:16:22:
srinath wrote on 11/28/19 at 14:35:44:
I'm really getting cynical in my old age.


I can’t attest to what you once were, but now, certainly delusional.



I can attest to being in CA and moving to SC and being an immigrant.
I was never illegal, and never benefitted from any of those Clinton immigration reforms - they all came in after I had got a GC. However I can see how if I was illegal, I'd feel a deep sense of gratitude.
That's why democrats win CA by 3million votes + Its no use to them if I stayed in CA. Winning CA by 4 million don't make them any closer to the WH.
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Reply #20 - 11/29/19 at 03:55:10
 
Mavigogun wrote on 11/28/19 at 22:13:28:
pg wrote on 11/28/19 at 13:39:38:
AOC will be more than happy to allow droves of illegal immigrants into the country with the unbridled support of the Democrats nationwide.


You’re a liar.



Liar liar pants on fire.  Is that the best ya' got?  It would certainly appear so.

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Reply #21 - 11/29/19 at 05:14:01
 
pg wrote on 11/29/19 at 03:55:10:
Liar liar pants on fire.  Is that the best ya' got?  It would certainly appear so.


There was a time when truth mattered- when being called out for demonstrable, obvious lies would shame the teller into reform.   That ain't you- instead, this school-yard-taunt is the best representation of who you are.

You lie freely, and without concern for record.   You label yourself by your choices- then, bizarrely, protest being know for your choices.   I'll not waste more time recounting the record to one so completely without care for it.   With these bald untruths, the telling becomes the topic- a tactic you share with the President.   Now we’re talking about the just application of my characterization instead of your earlier lie- that's by design, really, using one lie to focus on another, then another...

“You're a liar” succinctly said as much.
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Reply #22 - 11/29/19 at 16:05:29
 
Mavigogun wrote on 11/29/19 at 05:14:01:
“You're a liar” succinctly said as much.



Abolish ICE, welfare benefits for illegals, and the right of human mobility.

The freshman congresswoman went on to suggest ICE has not given due respect to those who enter the country illegally. The United States must "respect for the right of human mobility," she said before adding, "because it is a right."

"Because we are standing on Native land, and Latino people are descendants of Native people. And we cannot be … criminalized simply for our identity or our status."

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/02/08/aoc-ice-remarks-n2541027

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