pg wrote on 11/26/19 at 16:32:54:


This is a lie.   This isn't a matter of interpretation- it's just a lie.  Ocasio-Cortez has been explicitly clear- there's no justification or excuse for repeating this fiction.

 Facts aren't really important on this forum.  Easier to repeat what I was told, or read on a website I like than to research real policy and make an educated decision.

Was a time too, schools taught what was needed, not indoctrination.....

I am all for schooling, and believe it can solve lots of our ills.

But it needs to be focused, and held accountable.

I think 12 years and beyond, should still be provided as the first 12, in most courses.
But again, it needs to be productive and successful, not just another endless resource gobbling program.

Mavigogun wrote on 11/26/19 at 18:14:41:



Abolishing ICE and advocating all immigrants have rights and a pathway to citizenship is close enough to me.

Is that conservative enough for you?

Best regards,

pg wrote on 11/27/19 at 03:50:01:


This is going to come as a shock to you, but everyone in our country has rights.   It's true.   I won't wait while you check.  

ICE has existed since 2003; those that would see it gone don't advocate for open borders in its elimination, rather what they see as an ill-conceived agency with a horribly executed mission.   Ocasio-Cortez specifically has made clear that she is not calling for the end of deportation.   We can disagree with her assessment and advocacy for ending ICE-as-we-know-it, but claiming it equates to open borders is simply not true.   Repeating and believing untrue things is antithetical to the democratic process- an educated electorate is essential.

A path to citizenship is not without condition- it's a path, after all -it's something we've always had.   The path Ocasio-Cortez advocates is for the so-called Dreamers- folks who grew up in the US, know no other country, have no other lives.

If you believe these nuanced positions equat to open borders, you are believing a lie.   I've made an effort you would not to educate you.   Continuing to repeat this lie will only describe you, not Ocasio-Cortez or the policy she advocates.   We'd all be better off were you to favor the truth.

WebsterMark wrote on 11/27/19 at 06:00:35:


The great equivocator.   The absence of good faith efforts to test and reflect I reject exclusively.   

Unable or unwilling to discern difference, you equivocate all.   The best apprehension provided by intelligence services  in a moment and later superseded is not on a spectrum with Trump saying he didn't know anything about payments to Stormy Daniels.   Your premise itself is sophistry.  'We all lie by thinking we know what we know when denouncing fiction.'   Specious noise, that.

One thing you've made absolutely, unequivocally clear, Mark:

You lied when you said you didn't read my posts.   A petty lie- and definitive.

Serowbot wrote on 11/27/19 at 09:53:32:


Remember when folks like Limbaugh told voters to vote for Hillary, in the open primaries....?
You recall how much division it caused, and extended the campaigning spending beyond what should have been a done deal for Obama....

Think maybe these same folk, want her around?