For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction...... applies only to physics. In the world of politics, one action can have a disproportionate reaction.

At the end of the day, Ukraine received aid, more than in the past. No  supply shipments were missed (no one died), no public announcement about an investigation was made and there's an election 11 mo ths from now where citizens, not partisan politicians, get to decide. That's kinda tough to argue against.

I don't really know if the House will vote to impeach. They have to draw up articles first and then present to Congress. Here's where the actin reaction thing comes into play.

The Senate trial is more of an actual trial, not a banana republic charade like we've seen with Shifty. Linsey Graham has already sent a request for all communications between Biden and John Kerry and their involvement with Ukraine. All of a sudden, the carpet will start to be pulled back an awful lot of dirt will see the light of day that a lot of people with favors to grant don't want becoming visible. Plus again, all these Democratic Senators running for President will have to sit there and shut up all day. You know Mitch is gonna milk this trial for as long as he can......

Joe "then vote for Trump" Biden will self destruct out there by himself and Queer Eye for the Straight Guy and maybe that congresswoman from Hawaii whose name I can't remember, you know, the cute one, will take advantage and all of a sudden, their name recognition skyrockets while Warren, Sanders, Harris and Spartacus sit there with sour looks on their face. And at the end of the longest trial Mitch can turn it into where Biden's name gets dragged through the mud along woth Kerry, Hilary and even Hopey-Change, Trump will be acquitted and those dour looking Senators will have to scramble to recover and talk about the failed trial over and over again.

And for what? At worst, an off the cuff comment Trump made about the 2016 election, which nothing came out of it (no aid stopped, no investigation)  that a bunch of swamp inhabitants tried to turn into an event that's only happened twice in the history of the nation?

If someone walks into a bank and says they have a gun in their pocket and demands that the teller hand over the money in their drawer - even if there is no theft after that, it's still a crime.



Did trump say "I want quid pro quo"?  Probably not.

Was that his (and his administration's) intent?  100%

"At the end of the day, Ukraine received aid, more than in the past. No  supply shipments were missed (no one died), no public announcement about an investigation was made " - might be a true statement, but context is key.

When was the aid received? (9/11/19)
Why?  Obvious - the administration was caught red-handed.


This really is simple math.  2 + 2 = 4.  It always has and it always will.

trump is a well known corrupt businessman.  His administration is no different.

Now, everyone can see it for themselves.

Mark......

I won't pretend I speak for everyone, as some others claim, I can only offer you my perspective, in response to you.

Setting aside all that has happened with allegations, assertions, etc, leveled at Trump from pretty much, day one.

Setting aside all the devious, disingenuous, deceit, executed by the DNC, liberal media, Clinton....in the campaign run up to the 2016 election....  (which impacted more against others, than it did him, I believe)

Setting aside all the bitterness, ugliness, etc......visited on folks, who support him.    

With all that said, I believe, strongly, that the office of the president, has to rise above the fray and lead by setting the tone, and example, of civility, as the leader of the WHOLE nation.....

Yes, it has been a long time since we've seen any good examples of it, however, Trump has taken it to a new level of discourse, I feel.

As many state, let the people decide, the outcome, with their votes, off ALL the elected officials, that is indeed the best method, and surest, way for our voices to be heard.....

WE HAVE THE POWER, and with all the assaults leveled against it, it has never, and will never, be usurped, as long as free speech is part of who we claim to be, as a nation.

I feel Trump, in his duty, as the leader of our nation, errored in his mentioning of Biden, in his concerns, and rightly so, about corruption in Ukraine.......
He added his own personal "narrative" to this request, and yes, to me, it seems a "directive" intended for the new leader of the country....

And for this, as I don't think it was his sole motivation, and concern, and does not rise to a level of impeachment, no....but nevertheless, a very poor execution of his duties, and therefor, should be censored.....

For such remarks.  

Maybe if we all agree to this, we can all learn from this.....
And be better for it?

We're a nation, of many beliefs, cultures, likes, and dislikes, those should not separate us, from one another, no, but give us opportunity to learn, grow, and be wiser to things we did not know, or understand prior to dialogue and exchange, with each other.....

What is the other option.....?

Separation, and divide.....?

How can we stand against anything, if we choose that?

This country truly is a melting pot, always has been, and explains why it has been so successful like none other.

Seems more are getting into that pot, and its forcing upon many, a crowded feeling, making some uncomfortable....

I say, we don't need to restrict new folk (ideas, beliefs, etc) into that pot, no......
But get a BIGGER POT!  

Its up to everyone to look at themselves.....
Ya wanna keep pointing fingers, blaming, adding insults and dissension....??
Then don't expect the merry go round to travel down a new path, to nirvana.....  

raydawg wrote on 11/22/19 at 09:05:32:


Trump's obviously not that guy- he's the most divisive leader of our nation in my lifetime.  He's petty.   He's egotistical.   Selfish.   A narcissist.   None, at this juncture, can sensically expect Trump to do anything but divide our Union.

We're a nation, of many beliefs, cultures, likes, and dislikes, those should not separate us, from one another, no, but give us opportunity to learn, grow, and be wiser to things we did not know, or understand prior to dialogue and exchange, with each other.....

Exactly.   Unfortunately, Trump sees opportunity in division- it's how weak power can steer a larger force.

What is the other option.....?

Separation, and divide.....?

How can we stand against anything, if we choose that?

How can we stand against anything if we accept Trump's message of division?   There will always be bigots on the fringe; here, they have been used to wedge open a wound.   Confronting our circumstance is painful- but the consequence of not doing so is further damage to our Republic.

This country truly is a melting pot, always has been, and explains why it has been so successful like none other.

Always?   Not really.   We mythologize this a bit much; the melting pot metaphor has become more true now than ever before, transiting from hate and rape to consent and love. To be celebrated, no doubt- but ours is a history of leveraging one interest against another.   A history of division.   Surely it is time for that to end- but it can't with this President.   Trump is antithetical to healing, unity.

I say, we don't need to restrict new folk (ideas, beliefs, etc) into that pot, no......
But get a BIGGER POT!

Preach it, brother!   Can I get an AMEN?

Meanwhile the sham impeachment inquiry is discussing childhood pigtails.



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Mavigogun wrote on 11/22/19 at 11:38:00:



And that is coming from someone who in their previous post is talking about orange make-up and the Joker....

Best regards,

Mavigogun wrote on 11/22/19 at 12:09:38:



'In other words', it would behoove you to wait until I post a statement before you cast judgement.  

Best regards,

Mavigogun wrote on 11/22/19 at 13:12:11:



Nice effort; however, that is a ssttttrrrrrrretcchhhh...

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