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Reply #45 - 11/21/19 at 14:48:54

Serowbot wrote on 11/21/19 at 14:39:49:

How about Republicans for the Rule of Law?...

I will admit I was busy the last two days and didn't see much of the proceeding. However, I didn't see any good headlines.

With that said, all the Dems have is 2nd & 3rd hand information, presumptions, and worthless antidotes that constitute an opinion.

Where is the first hand accounts of impeachable offences? Lips Sealed

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Re: Sondland testimony
Reply #46 - 11/21/19 at 15:01:55

pg wrote on 11/21/19 at 14:48:54:

Where is the first hand accounts of impeachable offences? Lips Sealed

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For that,... Giuliani would have to agree to testify,.. and tell the truth.
... maybe Bolton...
...or of course,... Trump himself.

Crooks don't usually discuss criminal activity with honest people.

Although, there have been many that directly heard what the President said,.... they may not have been a part of the conversation...

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Reply #47 - 11/21/19 at 15:15:24

pg wrote on 11/21/19 at 14:48:54:

I will admit I was busy the last two days and didn't see much of the proceeding.

Really, you have to review it yourself. Do you really want some other person's interpretation? Probably not.

Where is the first hand accounts of impeachable offences?

Though abridged, it was right there in the transcript of the phone call.

Let's remove the teams from what happened. It's like this- it's Winter, temperatures are dropping to life-threatening lows- and your power company cuts your power. You call the power company and talk to the engineer, saying how you'd like to buy some more power. The engineer says that he'd like that too- but he'd like you to commit to perpetrating a crime with him first.

Say that isn't what happened? Trump agrees... with me. Every time he orders one of our civil servants not to testify, every time he orders the withholding of documents, he confirms his guilt.

You know he's a crook. You know he's a liar. Why don't you start acting on what you know? Let what you know inform your assessment- not some non-sequitur abridged version that doesn't exist in the real world.

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Re: Sondland testimony
Reply #48 - 11/21/19 at 15:34:37

pg wrote on 11/21/19 at 14:48:54:

Serowbot wrote on 11/21/19 at 14:39:49:

How about Republicans for the Rule of Law?...

I will admit I was busy the last two days and didn't see much of the proceeding. However, I didn't see any good headlines.

With that said, all the Dems have is 2nd & 3rd hand information, presumptions, and worthless antidotes that constitute an opinion.

Where is the first hand accounts of impeachable offences? Lips Sealed

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In Russia.....maybe? Undecided

Oh, about yesterday and this Sondland guy.....

The unbiased media reorts: Jeffrey Toobin, CNN legal analyst: Now we know that every fantasy about how corrupt this administration was is actually true.

Me, I think I'll stick to Maryann and Ginger, in my fantasies Grin

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Sondland testimony Reply #49 - 11/21/19 at 18:10:24 Mavigogun wrote on 11/21/19 at 15:15:24: Why don't you start acting on what you know? He is the antithesis of the Marxist agenda and I believe in much of his platform. Best regards,
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Reply #50 - 11/21/19 at 20:10:23

@PG With that said, all the Dems have is 2nd & 3rd hand information, presumptions...

We do have first hand information of the information is required in specific instances, plus plenty of corroborating evidence that adheres to a tight timeline. It is this timeline that cannot be squeezed through. For example Trump's latest bit of reality twisting is to come out with his handwritten sharpie notes (which btw have been set to music https://tinyurl.com/wed7x5f) but this is just Sondland quoting Trump himself *After* the whistleblower report was ordered to be investigated by Congress. For the week before the DOG was trying to keep it away from Congress.

Not to forget the irony that the final pieces of the puzzle are being held back by the White House, they can let Mulvaney, Bolton and even Trump himself testify. If they had any exculpatory excuses they'd be saying them to the committee.

Although the whistleblower is not necessary at all now, it's worth pointing out that had he not blown the whistle at that moment, then within a day or two Zelenskey had *already agreed* to make a public announcement and Trump would have gotten away with corrupting a foreign power in an emerging democracy.

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Mavigogun Serious Thumper Offline We roll farther together Posts: 775 Progressive Texas	Re: Sondland testimony Reply #51 - 11/21/19 at 20:33:23 pg wrote on 11/21/19 at 18:10:24: He is the antithesis of the Marxist agenda and I believe in much of his platform. That's like saying "sure, he's a child molester- but Trump's the best wrestling coach available."
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Sondland testimony Reply #52 - 11/22/19 at 11:26:59 Mavigogun wrote on 11/21/19 at 20:33:23: pg wrote on 11/21/19 at 18:10:24: He is the antithesis of the Marxist agenda and I believe in much of his platform. That's like saying "sure, he's a child molester- but Trump's the best wrestling coach available." Not when you believe in conservative values. Best regards,
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Mavigogun Serious Thumper Offline We roll farther together Posts: 775 Progressive Texas	Re: Sondland testimony Reply #53 - 11/22/19 at 11:33:36 ...and there you have it. Doesn't care what crimes Trump perpetrates, just so long as his agenda is advanced. You can label that many things- but "values"? No.
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Sondland testimony Reply #54 - 11/22/19 at 11:43:44 Mavigogun wrote on 11/22/19 at 11:33:36: ...and there you have it. Doesn't care what crimes Trump perpetrates, just so long as his agenda is advanced. You can label that many things- but "values"? No. He hasn't been indicted let alone convicted of anything.... Best regards,
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Reply #55 - 11/22/19 at 12:17:40

pg wrote on 11/22/19 at 11:43:44:

He hasn't been indicted let alone convicted of anything....

No doubt a common utterance of those attaching themselves to Epstein, too.

Every honest person knows Trump is being shielded by his office and the GOP Senate- dishonest people, too -the difference being character, and what they're willing to say.

We know Trump swindled students. We know he stole from a charity for veterans. We know he cheated on his pregnant wife and committed campaign finance violations in attempt to cover it up. We know he schemed to violate our Constitution and corrupt an ally state. We know that he stood before the world and denounced our own intelligence agents' reports in favor of Putin.

Those are YOUR values. You own them now. You are no better than that.

"Conservative values"? Don't flatter yourself.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Sondland testimony Reply #56 - 11/22/19 at 12:49:53 Mavigogun wrote on 11/22/19 at 12:17:40: No doubt a common utterance of those attaching themselves to Epstein, too. Hello, he was a convicted felon and the people he surrounded him with were left leaning democrats. Best regards,
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Re: Sondland testimony
Reply #57 - 11/22/19 at 13:27:16

pg wrote on 11/22/19 at 12:49:53:

Hello, he was a convicted felon-

Eventually, yes. Before conviction, he was still surrounded by enablers who can not hide behind 'but he hadn't been convicted when I was securing children for him'. This is the parallel circumstance I spoke to. I reckon you already understood that.

-and the people he surrounded him with were left leaning democrats.

All sorts of people, actually- including, topically, Trump; I don't have praise for any of them. It is a broken moral compass that considers party when weighing child rape.

Curious that the limit of your protest did not touch on the substance of my post, proffering instead to run away to play semantic games. Watch out- if you look, you might catch your reflection:

Every honest person knows Trump is being shielded by his office and the GOP Senate- dishonest people, too -the difference being character, and what they're willing to say.

We know Trump swindled students. We know he stole from a charity for veterans. We know he cheated on his pregnant wife and committed campaign finance violations in attempt to cover it up. We know he schemed to violate our Constitution and corrupt an ally state. We know that he stood before the world and denounced our own intelligence agents' reports in favor of Putin.

Those are YOUR values. You own them now. You are no better than that.

"Conservative values"? Don't flatter yourself.

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Sondland testimony Reply #58 - 11/22/19 at 13:49:24 Mavigogun wrote on 11/22/19 at 13:27:16: "Conservative values"? Don't flatter yourself If you don't believe I am a concervative, where do you think rest on the political spectrum? Best regards,
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Re: Sondland testimony
Reply #59 - 11/22/19 at 13:58:00

pg wrote on 11/22/19 at 13:49:24:

Mavigogun wrote on 11/22/19 at 13:27:16:

"Conservative values"? Don't flatter yourself

If you don't believe I am a concervative, where do you think rest on the political spectrum?

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"Conservative values" is the problem.

What "values"?

Party over everything?
Profit over all else?
Hypocrisy?
Small government, yet they want to rule over a woman's right?

How many prosecutions from the trump administration so far?

See, that's the problem with "conservative values".

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