@WM, Who heard Trump say that?

Basically everyone heard Rudy G say it explicitly, and Trump then appointed RG to say what Trump wanted.

This Lawfare post cuts through all the bullshit for you if you're interested...

https://www.lawfareblog.com/gordon-sondland-accuses-president-bribery


What you see Trump doing is like a typical mob boss he insulates himself and that is the role that Guiliani played. Instead of Trump saying the words directly to Sonderland, he tells Sonderland that Guiliani will tell him what is needed.

In other words, behind the exchange with Schiff is a specific claim that Trump personally directed Sondland to Giuliani, who then made substantive demands on Trump’s behalf for the investigations he wanted.

rudi is going to be the fall guy to save the don

weeks ago rudi said he would be the hero in all this
very unlikely the senate will do much they're too scared

WebsterMark wrote on 11/20/19 at 15:39:33:


No one expects or cares what you believe.   A while back, a more restrained voice than mine suggest it didn't matter if you were stupid, insane, or just evil- engaging your inanity made no sense.    I don't need to determine which is the case- as testified to by yourself and quoted above, your goal, Mark, is the fall of the Republic.   Resolving what is best for our Union is none of your concern- we'd be just as ill advised to listen to what Putin thinks.   Or Trump.

@Serowbot

... to an unsecured phone in a public restaurant in the Ukraine, where Russians own the cell companies and are certain to be listening in...

Imagine if none of this came out then the Russians would certainly have a tape recording of this conversation which they could use to further blackmail Trump.

I don't think anything changed, not in this forum, or with any swing/undecided voters Jog...

If you look at the ratings, of who even watches, I think the  WEATHER CHANNEL gets more viewers.

Me thinks the libs got pulled into this by their left flank, knowing it was not going to bear fruit, but they had to silence those radical influences, as they were very disruptive.
When you have to trot out President Obama to "shush them up" with his gentle chiding, you know sumtins up with their internals....
And even Bernie, the ring leader to many of these vocal dissidents, made reference tonight that we (they, the party) will LOSE TO TRUMP, AGAIN.... if all they do is focus on Trump.....  

DUDE....you were the one who told them to go after Trump, now.....????

I saw a very cleaver post here a while back, about assumptions, which is all I heard today, was assumptions, no facts that are verifiable and provable....just hunches and guesses, and maybes, and well, its possible...
 
The person said assumptions make (a) ass-u-me

Lots of them round here.......BINGO!

Justin clearly didn't actually watch Sondland's testimony, accepting pre-digested pablum from Pajamas Media instead.   [I couldn't have made that up!]   Still, it saved him the tedium of thoughtful consideration; we can only hope he used the resources to go for a ride.

Mavigogun wrote on 11/20/19 at 20:41:03:


WebsterMark wrote on 11/21/19 at 05:39:32:


What the actual fuqk is wrong with you, Mark?  The back story must be a real horror story- though likely the sad pedestrian narrative of other would-be insurrectionists.

How about Republicans for the Rule of Law?...