Falsification of Federal Documents is illegal.  What exactly would they be "escaping" by holding staff accountable?

 Or are you in the "he had to be murdered suicide isn't possible" boat like some others?


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 That makes sense.

 I do believe prison inmates commit suicide, and I believe prison staff work overtime, and do not commit 100% to their work duties.  I think the potential exists that staff would write down they did something they did not actually do.  I also think that the data presented in multiple studies about the hyoid bone breaking in adults over 60 is accurate.

 I prefer the physical evidence over circumstance, but I can also see where the situation has other circumstances that could indicate foul play.  Proof however may be hard to come by unless prison staff say they let Federal Agents come in, kill the inmate and leave.  Sneaking in while they slept would amateur hour, nobody is going to believe that unless they watch spy movies all day.

 So the logic here is that the two prison staff are scape-goats as in taking responsibility for an inmate suicide by falsification of reports instead of admitting a strike-team killed the inmate?

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 That doesn't make much sense to me.  

 Instead of killing the inmate in a way consistent with non-homicide speculative means, in a location where they wouldn't have to explain missing camera footage, in a location where they would have to kill or prosecute their own staff, they instead are going to try to say a strike team snuck into a secure housing unit undetected murdered an inmate, snuck back out undetected, then waited for someone to find him?

 Whatever happened to allergic reactions to medication, or falling down?

 Why go through all the steps needed to create a large cover-up when they could do it much, much easier?  And also without making their own staff criminals in the process?

 Why choose the more complicated and harder to get away with method?


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"A suspicious person such as myself might conclude that perhaps the situation was arranged so that he could successfully accomplish what the folks in the jail thought that he was very likely to attempt."

 This seems considerably more reasonable than sending in people to sneak past staff and kill him.


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"I don't see what the issue is.  Two guys cut off the camera and tell the guards to go on break.  They make sure the job is done and the two guards are collateral damage."

 Way too many TV shows and movies here.

 "Two guys" ?

 What two guys?  You think prisons let just anyone in them?  Even Wardens get ID controlled upon entry, so every camera in the building including outside ones need to be shut off just to get these "two guys" in the building without being on camera.

 Why not just give the pay off to the guys scheduled for that shift?

 Why tell them to "go on break"?  If you worked in a prison and two guys you've never seen before come in the middle of the night and tell you leave, you wouldn't report that?  You wouldn't ask a superior, take a note nothing?  

 Then once you find a dead inmate, you don't say "Hey two guys came in last night and had both of us leave the area at the same time."?

 Maintenance guys came in last night
 The Warden came in last night
 The FBI came in last night
 My Sergeant came in last night

 Nah nobody would say anything about that, they would just lose their jobs and go to prison themselves instead of saying anything like that.

 Convenient that two guys can enter a prison, go kill an inmate and stroll out and not have any one staff member think that's odd.  Nobody would mention anything about being forced to leave the area, too convenient.

 Why would they choose the more complex route?  


 
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"First, you don't know how high it goes.  Second, when federal officers come on property someone who does not know the proper protocol will likely conform to their demands."

 And lose their job immediately, and in many cases be prosecuted.  I've been in several military and Federal institutions over the years and nobody is allowed to "conform with demands."  In most cases people that are covering a post they do not normally do, they are more diligent not less.  If I volunteer to work an access gate at a military post what incentive do I have to be less diligent?  It's illegal to prosecute, punish, fire, discipline me for exceeding the standard security protocol.  So wait in line General while I get you clearance.

 As far as that goes, why wouldn't the many people that the two guys brought in to kill an inmate in the middle of the night had to get clearance from not say a word?

 This access control is being over-simplified, like saying "Shut off cameras", modern camera systems use login controls and enclosed wiring, it's not like the movies where you pull out the fiber line, or flip a physical switch like in the 1980's.  You need access to the room, access to the system, a password, then a way to remove your login and a way to remove your badge-in history to the room itself.  Lets not forget a way to delete the footage in a totally separate storage area, and the cloud storage, controls are typically no longer kept with storage.  Just in the Medical center I worked at camera controls needed two staff members simultaneously and the recordings were in triplicated and at separate locations at once.


 "Did you know one of the guards, was not a detention guard and reassigned to that post?"

 I did.  How does volunteering for overtime mean that the staff wouldn't say: "Last night two guys came in, told me to "go on break", then we found Epstein dead?"

 Why wouldn't they say that?  What part of job reassignment makes one incapable of reporting the middle of the night unscheduled mandatory break?

 If this is a really high up planned execution, again:  Why would they choose the more complex easier to prove as murder route, instead of an easier, harder to prove method?

 Why would they choose the harder more incriminating process?



"How do explain the broken bones in his neck, the bruises on his hands, and bruises on his shoulder?"

 I already addressed this in another post with 4 medical studies indicating clearly that men over 60 are more likely to break a hyoid bone during suicidal hanging.

 How do you explain everyone except the family hired assessment saying it's suicide?  This one guy is correct, all other forensic pathologists wrong.

 Again I am not saying this wasn't a murder, I just don't know why the process for doing it has to be so complex.  Why not use an easier, harder to prove method?



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I go back to the complexities of pulling this off. This is not the movies, this is not "Ocean's Eleven". You can't rob several Las Vegas casinos like they did in that movie.

It would be extremely hard for the powerful people to enlist someone to plan and carry out a murder of a high profile target in jail. Not impossible, but extremely hard.

How many people would it require to pull this off and how many would know about it?