Here is how us Indians do it....

BTW, she is much cuter than Greta, too.

https://youtu.be/82cMVbIW6vI

thumperclone wrote on 11/15/19 at 04:15:21:


Yeah...no kidding.
Funny thing, not really, but a great example of how you whiteys pretend to care....  

Our tribe just finally got its compensation/award, from a lawsuit filed against the goverment for taking our lands away, and moving it to a lessor location.

The irony is, not a single full-blooded member is alive to see it...sad.

We did however, just open our 4th casino.

https://www.quapawtribe.com/

eegore.....

You seem to me, a bit disingenuous, in your participation on this site.

You call out others, asking for sources, etc....
In a sense, minimizing the OP activities (post) with bias, unless proven otherwise at your directions.

You too, try and capitalize on any given subject/belief, upon your own perceptions, and level critique, accordingly.

I feel you are just as big a part, and player, of this current devise behavior, we see in the political, and social area....

Even tho you say, "It's all words on a screen."

If that is true, then I ask you, "Why fish in a creek that holds no water, that is dry....what do you expect to catch?"  

As a registered Indian, unlike Liz Warren, I grew up with lots of influences, and history, from my ancestors.....
We have a good grasp on the situation, historically, which means, if it hadn't been the White Europeans, who invaded our lands, it would have been someone else, as that was the nature and context of the world in those days.....

To judge the past, based on the rules in the present, will never bring a true understanding, and in the void of ignorance, allows those who speak with forked tongue a avenue, opportunity, to capitalize, and promote, their OWN personal welfare, and agendas....  

Keep it real.....dude, everyone is a sinner, selfish, and concerned with their own welfare, first and foremost.
Pretending otherwise, by pointing their fingers at others, while they hide behind their own self-serving caring, is a facade....    

Ya, it's a real dickk-move to invite conversation, then berate those who extend trust. When a Dawg wags its tail then bites, only blame yourself the second time; this is nothing new from Ray, who seems to suffer from some pre-existing condition where Eegore is concerned.   Maybe Eegore reminds the Dawg of somebody who stepped on his tail once.

"You seem to me, a bit disingenuous, in your participation on this site."

 Ok.



"You call out others, asking for sources, etc....
In a sense, minimizing the OP activities (post) with bias, unless proven otherwise at your directions."

 Why is it "bias"?  If someone says Hurricanes are stronger I would like to know where they got that information.  it should be obvious by now I employ a number of people that deal with data collection and analysis and use that to make money.



You too, try and capitalize on any given subject/belief, upon your own perceptions, and level critique, accordingly.

I feel you are just as big a part, and player, of this current devise behavior, we see in the political, and social area....

 Ok.



Even tho you say, "It's all words on a screen."

 Yes and you continue to take that statement out of context.  I will again describe the situation and my meaning:

 When someone on this forum insults another directly I have indicated I see no reason to respond to that insult - With More Insults - because insults do no physical measurable damage to one's body or property.  They do not cause physical damage because they Are Just Words On A Screen.  So why retaliate?  Why not have a discussion instead?


If that is true, then I ask you, "Why fish in a creek that holds no water, that is dry....what do you expect to catch?"

 Again, see above.  I am not saying that the words are useless and have no value.  I am explicitly saying that personal insults do not, in my opinion, warrant the return of more insults.

 Because they are just words on a screen.  Have a discussion instead.

thumperclone wrote on 11/15/19 at 15:27:44:


Yeah, that last year was really rough.....
Having cut my teeth on the 787 program, working it from its early days, of actual production.....
I touched every aircraft made, up to about line 100 or so.

A short stint on the new tanker ( nightmare, but customer has deep pockets, and don't know what it is they want)

To Renton, the 737 program.

When they started on the MAX, it got ugly, real quick.
I saw things that were wrong, and would never have been allowed on the other programs I worked.

All the problems started with upper management looking back over their shoulders, at Airbus.
Boeing is synonymous with commercial aircraft, they only needed to keep enhancing their existing programs, and improving on their production....
But they freaked, thought they needed to invent something new, like they do in the auto industry, which they in fact, did use as a model of production....

Anyway...yeah, Boeing that we know, is on a descending mode, still very diverse in its holdings, but its commercial aircraft programs will never be the same again, ever.
Lots of reasons contributing to that, but mostly, it was who knocked over the first domino, that caused the others to timber....

Did I answer your question?  

BTW, I sold off every last stock I ever bought, it was a good run, I'd cash out my pension, if they'd let me, but I am small potatoes to some of the holdings of guys with decades of employment with Boeing...I could absorb the lost of this money, if it came to that, with those other folk, it would really put a hurt on them, BIG TIME. Hope it never comes to that, but who knows.....???