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11/01/19 at 18:51:18
 
Trump will win again, easily: Liberals simply don't understand what he represents.

Trump is accelerating American empire toward its doom. Democrats can't stop the historical wheel from turning

ANIS SHIVANI

https://www.salon.com/2019/10/26/trump-will-win-again-easily-liberals-simply-...

I predicted well before the 2016 presidential election that Donald Trump would be elected. I had felt that way ever since he rode down that golden escalator with his rapist invective. Ever since he was elected, I’ve also believed that he’ll be re-elected, more easily this time.

An illustrative personal anecdote, one of many over the last three years: A creative writing PhD I know with tons of debt, whose wife happens to be an undocumented Filipina, became mightily angered by the promise of student debt cancelation. What about those who have paid their dues by taking out debt, he asked? No doubt he would refuse a blanket amnesty for “illegals” too. His DACA wife, as he sees it, paid her dues.

Columnists at the New York Times are all angry at the possibility of decriminalizing of border crossings, health care for the undocumented and the abolition of private insurance. In fact, they don’t want to do away with Trumpian inhumanity. They want the oppression to continue, but without the transparent rhetoric.

Minus the Trumpian rhetorical overlash, war, empire, violence, hollowness, junk goods and a junk life are all the people have ever known and all they want.

Historical movement in long cycles can’t be short-circuited, as we can see in the resistance of the liberal elite toward Bernie Sanders, the only candidate who could beat Trump, versus the stampede toward Elizabeth Warren, who provides a "safe" alternative and will surely lose.

But what kind of a fascist doesn’t start a war in three years? Trump doesn’t need war: He has brought the war home by making us confront our emptiness directly. He is the catalyst we needed at this time, and he is fulfilling his purpose beautifully. America is exhausted, which the liberal elites don’t get.

Trump keeps making noises about Iran, but he hasn’t actually done it yet. His pullback at the last moment, when the bombers were supposedly already on their way, is a trope that makes sense to a lot of people. We could have, in a science-fiction world, the repetition of this particular action — pulling back from the brink, the antithesis to Strangelove-style irrevocability — day after day, and it would be the right psychotropic drug to rouse us.

And what kind of a huckster is he? He constantly keeps changing his mind, which is not a character flaw, but the essence of his “deal-making.” America can’t find a better deal — from the New Deal to the Fair Deal to the imaginary Green New Deal, a landscape of lost opportunities and blighted dreams — so contingent honor, betrayed promises and infinite self-cancellation constitute the only kind of deal-making possible. And unlike on "The Apprentice," there can be no winner at the end, while the rest get fired, because the endless prevarication — saying two things at the same time, often diametrically opposite — is what constitutes deal-making. We’d better get used to it: It is the end point to a century of liberal social planning.

To be totally adrift, Trump is saying, is to have total freedom. The empire embraces its most recent eruption of vulgarity, barbarism and eco-destruction as a welcome development — or at least the dispossessed do, if not the meritocrats. To move beyond the dead language of liberal political correctness, which all the Democratic candidates suffer from, is a great service. Trump is preparing us for the imminent turmoil of the coming decades — concluding in secession and fragmentation by mid-century — with the kind of language the empire needs now. He’s reading history well, only too well, far better than his ideological opponents, the neoliberal globalizers or the democratic socialists.

Not one of his opponents is prepared to say that power is America — brute, unforgiving, no-second-chances power. This kind of power requires a base removed from liberal education. He reforms language every day, in his tweets, which emanate from our deepest unconscious, such as when liberal stand-up comedians turn out to be racists and misogynists in their revealing moments.

As we prepare for the age of brutality, he’s telling us — as the Times columnists confirm every day in the limits they impose to compassion — that the recent gloss of multicultural tolerance, in the Reagan/Clinton/Obama years, was the final fantasy. His border wall seeks to literalize the walls of segregation and inequality that have been going up relentlessly all throughout the interior. He won’t start wars of humanitarian liberation, because that was the foreign aspect to the domestic malevolence passing as tolerance.

Former UN ambassador Jeane Kirkpatrick counseled in the 1970s that we could work with good authoritarians around the world, but not with socialists. Trump’s affection for Narendra Modi, Jair Bolsonaro, Vladimir Putin, Kim Jong-un, and Mohammed bin Salman is nothing new. It is how we have always operated, even in the halcyon days of Henry Kissinger’s détente, when we violently crushed democracy in Chile and elsewhere, or under the spiritual Jimmy Carter, when we trapped the Russian bear in Afghanistan, much to Zbigniew Brzezinski’s delight.

Trump doesn’t want to restart history, to repudiate Francis Fukuyama or Bill Clinton. Nor does he want to start a clash of civilizations, to validate Samuel Huntington or George W. Bush. He is content with leaving history alone, which seems natural, coming so soon after the younger Bush's counselors, who wanted full-spectrum dominance. The deal, as Trump sees it, is ever-changing, immune from textual recreation, legal solidity, constitutional affirmation.

What is his obsession with China then? China for the last three decades has been a management consultant’s dream come true. Trump is not playing a zero-sum game, a chessboard called economic nationalism, with China. With him we move beyond oligarchic nationalism or even democratic fascism. China helps construct a total vacuum of thought, reaching even beyond the vulgarity of trashy American consumerism. We no longer want their tacky goods. We want the Harley-Davidsons back — or not, it’s OK if they don’t come back. If we can’t recall manufacturing, and we leave world trade, then we are thrown upon a manly ideal, where we make things and do things for ourselves, except that Trump and his followers know that that ideal is well past reach, going out of fashion with the rise of consumerism precisely a century ago.

The 2020s: An exact reversal of the rise of optimistic consumerism in the 1920s. History does have its symmetries, if you know where to look. The end to advertising, news broadcasting, modernist propaganda, the religion of self-help and therapy, physical fitness, institutionalized spying and technological utopia.

Trump's attack on the media, the breathing tube for an empty liberal consumerism that died long ago, is the most welcome move to his fervent supporters. You can’t believe a word you see. You have to create your own reality, which the Internet helped bring about starting in the 1990s. Consider the real scandal of Joe Biden’s son’s corruption, already noted matter-of-factly in leading newspapers, versus the impeachable scandal of just talking — airing out possible deals to land political opponents in trouble. Torture, assassination, deportation and ecocide are all within the pale, for the resistance, for those who would like to replace him with an acceptable alternative who will take empire back to where it was.

But it’s not going to happen, because he was never the bearer of a virus, which implies something alien. He is the perfect mirror, just as Nixon followed Lyndon Johnson, Reagan followed Carter, and Bush followed Clinton, in performing not so much an oscillation but an exaggerated return to form. Empires, heavy and difficult to maneuver, don’t engage in circular or sideways motions. Trump is the accelerant to the end point that empire needs now, just as Reagan and Bush served their functions earlier, and in that sense he is a true man of the people. You don’t beat a man of the people electorally. You just don’t.


Dang....I gotta read that again, its sorta like listening to Robin Williams on speed  Grin Grin Grin

Anybody get all of that?  Embarrassed
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Reply #1 - 11/01/19 at 20:31:33
 
A slush of observations- some reflecting accurately, others bizarre distortions, neither truth nor fiction favored when building arguments in service to a presupposed destination.   A bit tedious and disappointing to have ripe fruit mixed with sour swill.   In the end, not of much use to me.
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Reply #2 - 11/02/19 at 04:39:18
 
At this point in time, Trump is likely to be re-elected. Of course plenty of events can occur (both within his control and outside of his control) before Nov of next year, but I can't see those critical states that decided the election swinging over to Elizabeth Warren without a cataclysmic event. Democratic leadership and the news media understands this which is why they've been trying to undo the election before American gets her say again.

Why would those states change? Nothing is worse than when they last voted and that's an important factor. Jimmy Carter got crushed his second time around because things were noticeably worse. Fot the average voter in these key states, things are better. Here in Missouri for example, there's zero chance this state would swing blue. My work takes me to manufacturing faciliall over the country. In 2016, I saw example after example that lead me to believe Trump was going to win. I've seen nothing that even hints a huge risk like Elizabeth Warren would taken.
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Reply #3 - 11/02/19 at 05:47:47
 
Mark doesn't wear blinders- more like a welding mask.   Manufacturers continue to relocate overseas as this trade war ambles  on with no end in sight.  Farmers, pragmatic business people by nature, see Trump as a threat to their welfare- no matter what the ideological appeal.   Most everyone is exhausted by Trump's divisiveness, constant drama.  No doubt Mark finds likeminded folks wherever he looks.
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Reply #4 - 11/02/19 at 07:39:21
 
Web....you live in Missouri?

I have been thinking about, and looking at homes on Lake of the Ozarks...
To purchase as a vacation home/rental.

Do you know much about the area?

I noticed prices are dropping, is that a seasonal thing, or is the market cooling off?
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Reply #5 - 11/02/19 at 08:17:18
 
I'm not going to argue with a lot of that article. The US has been in a long period of decline for quite some time. The slow slide toward authoritarian socialism has been going on for most of my lifetime.

Some of the people (not me, I voted for him because I detested his opponent and everything she stand for) who voted for Trump saw his presidency as a possible way of turning that slide around, That's possible in the short term I suppose, but, with the almost 50/50 political split in the country and demographics being what they are,and unchecked illegal immigration from places where there is absolutely no concept of honest representative government, and a permanent ruling elite that has replaced that concept with one of power simply for the sake of exercising that power over the lives of others, and for self aggrandizement, I think that the downward trajectory is irreversible.

Ironically, it's going to be those folks who are so fervently waiting for their brave new world to be ushered in that are going to be the victims of their wishing. Such has always been the case. The true believers always figure that out after it's too late.

On the other had, the relatively self sufficient, so called "ignorant bigots" who don't expect the government to provide for them from cradle to grave, will probably fare better.

I suspect that the more intelligent among the former group might even recognize that fact, at least at a visceral level, even though they won't admit it to themselves. I think that may account for a lot of the insane, unhinged screeching coming from that corner of the room.

And Ray; you're gonna need a bigger boat.  



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Reply #6 - 11/02/19 at 09:41:15
 
Watch that show Ozark first.....
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Reply #7 - 11/02/19 at 10:04:23
 
And Ray; you're gonna need a bigger boat.  

NOOOooooooooo, I will keep my little dinghy, thanks  Grin Grin Grin

Slow, When haven't we heard of dire predictions, and possible consequences, as part of the political landscape?

The unique thing about our system of governing is that it has never been tried before, so its without historical significance, coupled with generous liberties, growth pains seems a normal  extension and outcome, of such....
I believe this was taken into consideration when the founders drafted the separation of power into 3 distinct bodies....knowing, suspecting, that freedom can itself, become subjective, and the odd (number) distribution would help in buttressing unfair, unequal, grabbing, and utilizing, that power.......

Other governing world systems (leaders) even voiced their concerns, with (a) democracies pitfalls, over lack of control, with a free press/speech, seeming to be their biggest, and foretelling that as such, it would bring our fall, and demise......

We are seeing, via the press/media, the influencing of almost a forth branch of our government, with partisanship manifested, journalistic integrity, responsibilities, forfeited and surrendered, for what appears to me as profit, or personal beliefs......not a good thing, its like a Doctor refusing to care for a AIDS patient, because he believes this person sinning nature is the result of that sin, and God's will in assigning him this condition......JUST WRONG!

But here is where I think our, er.....salvation resides.....  Grin

Technologies and access to data, communications via mediums like this message board, social media, etc....

It is circumventing the old ways of broadcasting, and their collective/selective, distribution, of what information they wanted the public to attain.

Not only that buddy, but it is growing the fastest wealth too, via commerce, so the power is 2 prong, maybe even more.......

Think about it supplanting education as we now know it.....
It could very easily render the brick buildings obsolete, just as that commerce is doing to many retail shopping outlets.....

So, I think information will flow more freely, with less narratives, and more accessible, to more people, and that market will be globally too....

Information is knowledge....fear is useless.

Bottom line, believe, and don't let what you don't know, get in the way of what you do know.....  Wink    
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Reply #8 - 11/02/19 at 10:05:09
 
WebsterMark wrote on 11/02/19 at 09:41:15:
Watch that show Ozark first.....


Is this a Trump reality TV thing?  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #9 - 11/02/19 at 13:44:59
 
I kinda said the same thing in response to Sew's video post about shooters hurting themselves. Given the age of our socialist on this forum, Sew, TT, and DriveBy,  they'll be among the fist skipped over when it comes to handing out essential goodies. AOC's gonna enjoy killing me cause I'll be her enemy. She'll dismiss you old socialist farts to a slow death with a wave of her pretty little hand.
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Ironically, it's going to be those folks who are so fervently waiting for their brave new world to be ushered in that are going to be the victims of their wishing. Such has always been the case. The true believers always figure that out after it's too late.

Are you saying the money I spent on the Hale-Bopp shuttle, was wasted?
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Reply #11 - 11/02/19 at 19:30:40
 
This place has become Mark's diary of powerful women who scare him.
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Reply #12 - 11/02/19 at 20:23:27
 
raydawg wrote on 11/02/19 at 15:13:47:

[b]Are you saying the money I spent on the Hale-Bopp shuttle, was wasted
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Interesting comment, although I know it was said in jest.

Do you know that that the Heaven's Gate folks earned some of their income as freelance web developers, back when that technology was still relativity in it's infancy?


"But here is where I think our, er.....salvation resides.....  

Technologies and access to data, communications via mediums like this message board, social media, etc...."

Double edged sword that.   Think about who actually controls most of that at the present time.
Do you trust that they have your best interests on their mind. Remember, if you avail yourself of any "free services" in the cyber world, you are not the customer, you are the product that is being sold.

"Information is knowledge....fear is useless."

Information without perspective and discernment, and some foundation on which to base those judgments is  mostly just noise. That is the major failure of what passes for a lot of "education" now.

Fear is your minds way of telling you something aint right. It can be acknowledged without paralyzing one into inaction or frightening  one into heedless flight. It shouldn't be ignored.

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I don't know a lot about boats, but this might work as a poor - relatively speaking -  man's USS TEOTWAKI  Cheesy

https://www.seapiper.com/
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Reply #13 - 11/02/19 at 20:55:05
 
Mavigogun wrote on 11/02/19 at 19:30:40:
This place has become Mark's diary of powerful women who scare him.


Tilt your little head to the right and tap me out.
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Reply #14 - 11/02/19 at 21:19:33
 
Dude, you tap out at the first whiff of estrogen.  
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