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Socialism/GPA
10/27/19 at 08:20:48

Socialism/GPA has been done many, many, many times.
Saw another one last night.

A Question for the UL FDS GB Socialists.

Why is it, that collage students just Love the Gimme, I deserve, Free stuff, it is my Right, (when it clearly is not)
Yet, when asked,"Would you would be willing to give some of your higher than B grades, to bolster up someones D grades.?"
It is a absolutely different answer.
They say they want to keep their grade, because They worked hard to get them.

They have not worked for anything yet, so they fully believe everything should be the nirvana, 'free'.
The only thing they have worked for, is their Grades !
And that is why they are Not willing to give them out willy nilly.
Especially to someone who has not even tried to study.

The UL FDS GBS, are only interested in those, Collage students, and those that have graduated with their 6 year, 'Underwater Basket Weaving degree', and living in their parents basement, while they seek a 'meaningful' job.
Only as long as they have their strings attached, and be puppeteer-ed into, 'Useful Idiots'.

What other reason are the field of wanna bees, which have stumbled out of the Clown Car, which are all falling over themselves, seeing who can 'promise' to give away More?

They have already convinced tt and clones.
Who's left ?
Oh, Wait, ALL the people who are promised to get, (Citizen or not), the 'wannabees', give always.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: Socialism/GPA Reply #1 - 10/27/19 at 08:39:06 Grades.....what are grades? I got a participated
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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8402	Re: Socialism/GPA Reply #2 - 10/27/19 at 11:15:30 But many are ok with grading on a curve. That's not Socialism, or Capitalism, its more like Democratic Socialism.
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Re: Socialism/GPA
Reply #3 - 10/27/19 at 11:37:32

Eegore wrote on 10/27/19 at 11:15:30:

But many are ok with grading on a curve.

That's not Socialism, or Capitalism, its more like Democratic Socialism.

Not really, its more like accepting lessor.

Would you like a doctor to operate on you who was in a med school where everyone scored 25/100 as passing?

Yes, a BIG exaggeration, however, the truth still remains in the fallibility of grading on a curve raises results positively.

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Reply #4 - 10/27/19 at 14:34:44

Eegore wrote on 10/27/19 at 11:15:30:

But many are ok with grading on a curve.

Grading on a curve, IS socialism.
It punishes the hardest working/smartest,
for the benefit of the lazy/ignorant.

It is akin to, 'Teaching The Test',
which many teachers do, to bolster, the 'Teacher'.

Teach a subject, give a test.
Do Not, reward the students that did not learn/listen.
Do Not, punish the students that did.

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Re: Socialism/GPA
Reply #5 - 10/28/19 at 08:20:32

Eegore wrote on 10/27/19 at 11:15:30:

But many are ok with grading on a curve.

That's not Socialism, or Capitalism, its more like Democratic Socialism.

Grading on the curve is capitalism pure and simple, only the best get the high grades and the worst the low grades based upon the averages of the current class.

Pass/Fail where the criteria is set by the state is socialism.

Could be democratic socialism if the criteria is set by the class.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8402	Re: Socialism/GPA Reply #6 - 10/28/19 at 11:44:34 "Could be democratic socialism if the criteria is set by the class." That's more of what I was thinking. And in some classes it happens and people go insane complaining about Millennials for a day but its a very low percentage, less than 1%.
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Reply #7 - 10/28/19 at 11:51:54

"Grading on a curve, IS socialism.
It punishes the hardest working/smartest,
for the benefit of the lazy/ignorant."

How are they punished?

They still have their A. If they scored 99 out of 100 and they grade on a curve your score is 99 out of 100. Their GPA won't change no matter what anyone else got.

What's the punishment specifically for the guy who got the 99 out of 100?

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Reply #8 - 10/28/19 at 12:11:37

Eegore wrote on 10/28/19 at 11:51:54:

"Grading on a curve, IS socialism.
It punishes the hardest working/smartest,
for the benefit of the lazy/ignorant."

How are they punished?

They still have their A. If they scored 99 out of 100 and they grade on a curve your score is 99 out of 100. Their GPA won't change no matter what anyone else got.

What's the punishment specifically for the guy who got the 99 out of 100?

Now that's pure, distilled logic.

Sorry mn, there's no refuting that.

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Reply #9 - 10/28/19 at 12:48:24

MnSpring wrote on 10/27/19 at 14:34:44:

It punishes the hardest working/smartest,
for the benefit of the lazy/ignorant.

You don’t understand the bell-curve- at all; at least you're consistent.

The curve adjusts regard of results to reflect reasonable expectations. Were we to test a group of 6-year-olds on economics, those scoring above 50% might be extraordinary, while a majority achieving in the 20 percentile, average. Let's take a not-so hypothetical class, tested on metrics, in which most score in the 80-90% range. Exceptional? No, they are average- you’d have to score perfect or near perfect to be above average. Consider then the case of the lazy and ignorant Minimal-effort-Spring- despite knowing little-to-nothing about The Curve, he manages to guess well on the multiple choice test, scoring 75% -but because grading is 'on the curve', he still fails. A common example of laziness and ignorance being recognized- not “rewarded” -when applying a curve.

Like all tools, such as language, value is in the hand of the person wielding it. We are confronted by this dynamic on this forum every day. In this thread, the guy starting a discussion on political philosophy isn't even versed in the use of tools he has reached for; normally I’d encourage that sort of ambition, but a demonstrated contempt for learning robs me of good will.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28710 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Socialism/GPA Reply #10 - 10/28/19 at 12:58:57 I read somewhere that the elite colleges don't give grades... I'd have done very well there...
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28890 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Socialism/GPA Reply #11 - 10/28/19 at 13:03:09 Serowbot wrote on 10/28/19 at 12:58:57: I read somewhere that the elite colleges don't give grades... I'd have done very well there... If that's true, either you do very well or you don't go there.
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Reply #12 - 10/28/19 at 13:13:05

Mavigogun wrote on 10/28/19 at 12:48:24:

T And T Garage wrote on 10/28/19 at 12:11:37:

It punishes the hardest working/smartest,
for the benefit of the lazy/ignorant.

You don’t understand the bell-curve- at all; at least you're consistent.

The curve adjusts regard of results to reflect reasonable expectations. Were we to test a group of 6-year-olds on economics, those scoring above 50% might be extraordinary, while a majority achieving in the 20 percentile, average. Let's take a not-so hypothetical class, tested on metrics, in which most score in the 80-90% range. Exceptional? No, they are average- you’d have to score perfect or near perfect to be above average. Consider then the case of the lazy and ignorant Minimal-effort-Spring- despite knowing little-to-nothing about The Curve, he manages to guess we’ll on the multiple choice test, scoring 75% -but because grading is 'on the curve', he still fails. A common example of laziness and ignorance being recognized- not “rewarded” -when applying a curve.

Like all tools, such as language, value is in the hand of the person wielding it. We are confronted by this dynamic on this forum every day. In this thread, the guy starting a discussion on political philosophy isn't even versed in the use of tools he has reached for; normally I’d encourage that sort of ambition, but a demonstrated contempt for learning robs me of good will.

To be clear, that wasn't my quote, Mavigogun. it was mn's (I know it's tough to distinguish between the two of us....lol)

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Re: Socialism/GPA
Reply #13 - 10/28/19 at 13:33:47

T And T Garage wrote on 10/28/19 at 13:13:05:

To be clear, that wasn't my quote, Mavigogun. it was mn's (I know it's tough to distinguish between the two of us....lol)

My bad- redacted the wrong portion of the quote tag. Besides, I know you can't be he- the Spring is an argyle sock-puppet I employ to make me look clever by contrast. It’s taxing, really, searching the ignernet for rant-fragments to clip, afflict with random font markup...

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Re: Socialism/GPA
Reply #14 - 10/28/19 at 14:09:52

Mavigogun wrote on 10/28/19 at 13:33:47:

T And T Garage wrote on 10/28/19 at 13:13:05:

To be clear, that wasn't my quote, Mavigogun. it was mn's (I know it's tough to distinguish between the two of us....lol)

My bad- redacted the wrong portion of the quote tag. Besides, I know you can't be he- the Spring is an argyle sock-puppet I employ to make me look clever by contrast. It’s taxing, really, searching the ignernet for rant-fragments to clip, afflict with random font markup...

Good one!

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