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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28707 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: The "Loss Of White Men’s Rights" Reply #15 - 10/24/19 at 09:24:15 MnSpring wrote on 10/24/19 at 08:43:19: LOL Purely the old UL FDS GBS credo: "I don't like something, YOU will NOT do it, I like something, you WILL do it". Anti-abortion much?...
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Reply #16 - 10/24/19 at 09:25:03

Mendacity Spring claims his primary concern is substance - yet fixates on semantics.

The substance here is not subject to any such linguistic contortions, but stems from a core concern of those founding our Nation. We should not gladly pay tribute to elevate the interest of individuals or groups over our entire community- be it a king or church. A "government for the people" means everybody. That also means we will no be an apartheid state, in which rights- such as commerce, education, and association -are denied any group.

Without doubt the First Amendment guaranties your right to associate privately with whom you will, say what you will, bigoted and hateful as you please- but step onto the public square, and your rights must merge into the civil traffic of a community.

Our greater community is not in the business of subsidizing exclusion of citizens. Your religious group can hate and discriminate as they please- but not on our dime. That's the substance.

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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28707 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Spin-vs-Substance Reply #17 - 10/24/19 at 09:30:37 Mavigogun wrote on 10/24/19 at 09:25:03: Our greater community is not in the business of subsidizing exclusion of citizens. Your religious group can hate and discriminate as they please- but not on our dime. That's the substance. Nicely said...
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Re: The "Loss Of White Men’s Rights"
Reply #18 - 10/24/19 at 09:49:45

Serowbot wrote on 10/24/19 at 09:24:15:

Anti-abortion much?...

Absolutely knew that would be said.

A poster here said: Your religious group can hate and discriminate as they please- but not on our dime.

I'll rephrase that very same thing.

Your group can, KILL, as many babies as you want,
but not on our dime.

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Reply #19 - 10/24/19 at 10:46:43

Wow- Murky Spring almost understood a basic concept. This is going to be a real challenge for you to understand: subsidizing discrimination and supporting rights you don't approve of are opposites, not equals. This is more nuanced than the reductive lie of 'I don't like it, so I shouldn't have to pay to support it'.

In the case of homosexual rights, non white-white marriage, and women's healthcare, you do not have a legal, Constitutional basis for limiting anyone's civil rights- or for the State to express support for limiting the rights of any group of citizens. There is no right to not pay taxes because you don't like what taxes are used for.

Here's the kicker: women's healthcare is a civil right; those that provide health care to women are supporting a right of citizens, and are eligible for public subsidy. Those who oppose civil rights for some group they don't like are not eligible for public subsidy. It's really very simple: there is a legal precedent for not extending public support for discrimination.

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Reply #20 - 10/24/19 at 12:20:58

Mavigogun wrote on 10/24/19 at 10:46:43:

This is going to be a real challenge for you to understand:

Yet, some day when you grow up,
you, 'may', understand.

Allowing, money that one has earned/worked for,
to be given to help those that are truly in need,
is a different concept,
than having money one has worked for/earned,
taken/stolen from you, and GIVEN,
to the absolute lazy, for their pleasure.

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: The "Loss Of White Men’s Rights" Reply #21 - 10/24/19 at 12:54:06 No one has a RIGHT to anyone else's Labor. That's called slavery.
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Reply #22 - 10/24/19 at 12:55:42

MnSpring wrote on 10/24/19 at 12:20:58:

...stolen from you, and GIVEN,
to the absolute lazy, for their pleasure.

Ah, now we are talking about lazy people. It's amazing- we've gone from a bigot contending equal rights for homosexuals equates to a loss of rights for white men, to, somehow, women's healthcare... and now your characterization of women as "absolutely lazy" and healthcare a "pleasure". You are a demagogue, not a victim.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9388 Minn Gender:	Re: The "Loss Of White Men’s Rights" Reply #23 - 10/24/19 at 13:08:43 Mavigogun wrote on 10/24/19 at 12:55:42: your characterization of women as "absolutely lazy" and healthcare a "pleasure". WOW, you got that, "Putting Words In Someones Mouth" Down Pat ! Just like tt does !
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Reply #24 - 10/24/19 at 13:14:11

Your words are there for all to read - it's bizarre and sadly expected that you would blame me for what you've written.

You characterized tax relief for the causes you deemed unworthy as "theft", cited women's health care as example, and recipients of the benefit of tax relief as "lazy". It's like you haven't developed object permanence, forgetting what you've write as soon as you've puked it up.

Zero integrity, you drop words like feces, then scurry away from them to crap out some more.

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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: The "Loss Of White Men’s Rights" Reply #25 - 10/24/19 at 13:33:10 MnSpring wrote on 10/24/19 at 13:08:43: Mavigogun wrote on 10/24/19 at 12:55:42: your characterization of women as "absolutely lazy" and healthcare a "pleasure". WOW, you got that, "Putting Words In Someones Mouth" Down Pat ! Just like tt does ! Ok then - who are you calling lazy?
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Re: The "Loss Of White Men’s Rights"
Reply #26 - 10/24/19 at 13:50:47

Mavigogun wrote on 10/24/19 at 10:46:43:

Here's the kicker: women's healthcare is a civil right; those that provide health care to women are supporting a right of citizens, and are eligible for public subsidy. Those who oppose civil rights for some group they don't like are not eligible for public subsidy. It's really very simple: there is a legal precedent for not extending public support for discrimination.

There is no right to get healthcare without the responsibility of paying for it.

There is no right to free healthcare.
There is a right to service.

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Reply #27 - 10/24/19 at 13:57:11

verslagen1 wrote on 10/24/19 at 13:50:47:

Mavigogun wrote on 10/24/19 at 10:46:43:

Here's the kicker: women's healthcare is a civil right; those that provide health care to women are supporting a right of citizens, and are eligible for public subsidy. Those who oppose civil rights for some group they don't like are not eligible for public subsidy. It's really very simple: there is a legal precedent for not extending public support for discrimination.

There is no right to get healthcare without the responsibility of paying for it. - There should be.

There is no right to free healthcare. - There should be.
There is a right to service. - That's not sufficient.

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Re: The "Loss Of White Men’s Rights"
Reply #28 - 10/24/19 at 14:09:13

T And T Garage wrote on 10/24/19 at 13:57:11:

verslagen1 wrote on 10/24/19 at 13:50:47:

Mavigogun wrote on 10/24/19 at 10:46:43:

Here's the kicker: women's healthcare is a civil right; those that provide health care to women are supporting a right of citizens, and are eligible for public subsidy. Those who oppose civil rights for some group they don't like are not eligible for public subsidy. It's really very simple: there is a legal precedent for not extending public support for discrimination.

There is no right to get healthcare without the responsibility of paying for it. - There should be.

There is no right to free healthcare. - There should be.
There is a right to service. - That's not sufficient.

Warrens medicare for all will not be free.
There will be taxes for it, we are currently paying for it with premiums.
I suspect there will be a lot of services that will not be covered.

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Reply #29 - 10/24/19 at 14:18:21

verslagen1 wrote on 10/24/19 at 14:09:13:

T And T Garage wrote on 10/24/19 at 13:57:11:

verslagen1 wrote on 10/24/19 at 13:50:47:

Mavigogun wrote on 10/24/19 at 10:46:43:

Here's the kicker: women's healthcare is a civil right; those that provide health care to women are supporting a right of citizens, and are eligible for public subsidy. Those who oppose civil rights for some group they don't like are not eligible for public subsidy. It's really very simple: there is a legal precedent for not extending public support for discrimination.

There is no right to get healthcare without the responsibility of paying for it. - There should be.

There is no right to free healthcare. - There should be.
There is a right to service. - That's not sufficient.

Warrens medicare for all will not be free. Nope. No one said it would be.

There will be taxes for it, we are currently paying for it with premiums. We are? Hmm... well, let's cut out the middle man, raise taxes across the board and eliminate premiums all together.

I suspect there will be a lot of services that will not be covered. - That's a lot of speculation.

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