Eegore wrote on 10/21/19 at 07:20:23:

 So people with zero knowledge of how the program works want to sit around telling other people what's on it, how it runs, and what it should do.  How much sense does that really make?

The Same as:
So people with zero knowledge of firearms, how they work and function,
want to sit around telling other people,
what's on it, how it runs, and what it should do.  
How much sense does that really make?

To be fair, all of us have have far more knowledge than others in the topics that intrest us and we devote time to. So its not necessarily surprising when lawmakers have to vote on matters they have no direct experience in. You can educate yourself and/or lean on trustworthy advisors, I get that.

But to your point, many in the gun control debate make statements of opinion, conjecture or outright falsehoods as if they're absolute, undeniable truths. Did that unnamed Senator go on to expressed her ignorance as fact? High probability she did. That's politics.

Eegore wrote on 10/22/19 at 05:55:52:

 Its similar as they typically vote more than write firearm laws.  This is why we have to be active in our own legislation.

In “Legislation” which is about BANNING a firearm which has the SAME function as one designed in 1888,
is not needed, it is written only to placate UL FDS, GBS.  
And ONLY, because it, 'Looks Like", something 'scary'.
Not to save any lives.

“ active in our own legislation”, Years ago, two Gun store owners in Minn were shot and killed, then the store robbed.
The Perps, came in the store, with guns drawn, shot the two, then calmly took want they wanted then walked out.
Also their was a rash of 2 car thefts, 1 car was smashed into a store, a bunch grabbed what they could, then ran into the other waiting stolen car, drove away, then a ways away, abandoned that car, and left in another. (Jewelry AND Gun)

I was put on a, ’task force’, by my local Senator, and went to the BCA, with 11 others once a week for a 6 Plus hours, for 2 months.
We butted heads, all points of the spectrum were discussed, yet we finally hammered out a, ‘law’.  
(Lots of work yet to be done, by lawmakers, not civilians, before that, ‘proposed’, law, could be/was passed)
Almost a year later, I saw what’ ‘Law’ passed. ’Someone’, (most likely elected, ‘officials’) really fu cked with it. It was almost not recognizable.
“ as they typically vote more than write firearm laws” . In this case, ’they’, did not write the law, knowledgeable Citizens did.
’They’ just Fu cked it up !

WebsterMark wrote on 10/22/19 at 05:15:00:

"... more knowledge than others in the topics that interest us and we devote time to..."

Absolutely. What I know about Golf, you could put into a thimble.
What tt/bot/and clones know about firearms, you could put on the head of a pin.

Why does, NOT, a politician, (who has not learned to fly a airplane), after looking in the cockpit of AF1, says, "I can fly this".

Yet not knowing anything about a firearm,
just looking at a, (what they believe is a 'Scary' gun),
they say: "That gun must be banned, because a DFI used one".

You're missing the point here, Serowbot- MnSpring isn't interested in truth or reason or substance, but feeling.   What he reads/sees/hears is translated directly into a feeling without scrutiny or meaningful understanding.  That's why his favorite targets are the imagined other he can project all his feelings onto.   He can't be bothered to get to know folks like you, because that would interfere with his ignorance narrative- so you just get thrown into the pile, too, without basis.

Rather than doing the hard work of grappling with US gun culture, Minimal-Effort-Spring here has built a narrative smear about all folks who have not shirked that responsibility.   He presupposes that all who see a path other than his preference are ignorant.    No small irony, pretending to know folks you don't while decrying ignorance.

verslagen1 wrote on 10/22/19 at 09:45:24:

Yes,.. I hope you're in a room full of Republicans when that happens too...

verslagen1 wrote on 10/22/19 at 08:27:15:

I can understand how translating common language to legalese can confound laymen.

"translating common language to legalese", is not required.
"legalese' is designed to benefit lawyers, simply because they can, 'fight over', what the words mean, and BOTH get paid.

Something written in understandable English.
Is very hard to be interpreted differently, than what it means.

"...What was your intent in writing the law and how was it F'd up?..."

That was 33/35 Years ago !  Did not keep my notes, and do not know what the MN law today requires as to how a FFL Store displays/stores firearms.
If I were to open another gun shop, and get another FFL, I would know.

"intent" was stopping the, 'Smash and Grabs'.
Which was something that was widely adopted, by many other, 'high risk/valuable object stores'.
That was putting, steel/concrete cylinders/barriers in front of glass store fronts, spaced so that a car could not drive through.
And, installing bars/grids, on windows, which was decided no wider than a 12" opening.

Changes, (by politicians/staff/etc), I remember were the size of the grids for the bars.
They were made much smaller, and were defined in infinitesimal detail. As to stop a adult from breaking the glass, then sending in a child to hand things out.

The 'Posts/Barriers', were defined in infinitesimal detail.
Gee, what part of a Car/Truck can not drive through
could someone NOT understand ?

And the beauty part, was the ADDING, of ALL Guns Must be secured by a cable, through the trigger guard, and the cable locked to the floor, or other unmovable object. (Then the floor/object, was defined in infinitesimal detail)

Or if just Long Guns were cabled. Then the the handguns must be moved each night, and placed in a secure Safe overnight.
(Then the safe, was defined in infinitesimal detail)

Today many, valuable goods,  ground floor stores, have barriers in front of possible openings.  Some have bars in windows.

I know it has been at least 20 Years since I have seen a gun shop that has, ANY, firearms, Cabled.  
Don't know what they do at night.
Don't care what the Law, (that is not being followed), is.
Do Know, politicians/Staff/etc, can and DO, F k the writing of a law, they know NOTHING about.

Serowbot wrote on 10/22/19 at 09:19:55:

Mn,.. you're the only one on here that uses the term "scary looking guns"...

Not even close to being True !

I refer to assault weapons,.. and define them as guns with a capacity of over 10 rounds.

Yep, again, ya don't have the first clue.
That description of yours would BAN probably about 98.94% of semi-auto firearms.

What, 'is scary', is someone who knows nothing about a topic/subject/thing, making decisions about that topic/subject/thing.

Gosh so glad you are, NOT, flying a Air-O-Plaine from MSP to PHX, because you may decide ALL Air-O-Plains Only need 10 gallons of Fuel !