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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: BAN Knives Reply #30 - 10/05/19 at 10:47:38 I see no reason to have a gun. There are things you cannot defend against. And yet, when police arrive on scene WITH GUNS They can. If you're in a store and someone started shooting Would you Holler my heart is pure so you can't shoot me? Or wish you had a gun to defend yourself and those around you?
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Re: BAN Knives
Reply #31 - 10/05/19 at 11:46:44

zevenenergie wrote on 10/05/19 at 09:22:58:
"...I was born in one of the most notorious slums in my country. ..."

It certainly sounds like you have achieved a measure of success, pulled yourself up, and not expected anybody else to do those things for you, while you sit back and do nothing.
Congratulations !

In this Nation, their are many Freedoms.
Freedoms which are guarantied by a ‘Constitution’, ‘ Bill of Rights’ and ‘Amendments’.
Many have been tested through the years, and much blood has been spilled, keeping the guaranteed basic rights for its citizens.

And in spite of ever-increasing threats, and attempts to remove Freedoms by whittling away, bit by bit.
The very vast Majority of American Citizens stand strong.

Two things, that you have talked about come into play.
One is called the 2nd Amendment.
Which has been altered in the last 240 years, bit by bit, and many have argued about what should or should not have/will be done.
(and will continue to do)
The 2nd, stands for, (some levels symbolic), the absolute undeniable Fact, that the Government of this Nation, can NEVER take control of the People of this Nation. (no mater how some interrupt the words written in 1776)

The next Amendment that affects your words, (in this Nation), is the 1st.
Which is the absolute Right to say what you think, with no repercussions.
(Outside of saying things which are meant to injure people, like saying, ‘Fire’ in a crowded theater)
That absolute right, guarantees, you or anyone else, the Right to say:
“I don’t believe you should have a gun”
What it does not, allow you to do, (you, or the Government), is Confiscate a gun.

So when you say: ‘I see no reason to have a gun.’,
You can say that. That is the 1st working.
It is when someone says:
‘you have no need for that gun, you will turn in that gun, I will take that gun from you, etc’
That is when the $hit hits the Fan.

Exactly the same way as you saying:
“I Don’t Like …”
Then you getting sent to Siberia.
(Or Committing suicide, with two shots to the head, with your hands tied behind your back)

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Re: BAN Knives
Reply #32 - 10/05/19 at 12:03:27

WOW......has this topic spread its influences wide and far..... Grin

I guess I should chime in and straighten it all out Grin

Weapons have no feelings, emotions, or the ability to think, like a stick or rock to a caveman, merely a useful tool.

To assign it as a symbol good, or bad, diverts away from the underlining societal dilemma pertaining the use of this tool, in our world.

Its not much difference than how folks use race, in a prejudicial way, like all black teenagers in hoodies, or all old white men, etc....

DISINGENUOUS

And one more thing before I go and SMILE thinking about all you idiots while I contemplate buying that bad azz boat to make you grunts jealous of me so I can post more pictures of it to make you wonder why I post it on the tall table..... Grin

I have seen nothing, zip, nada, any legislation or attempt to introduce any, that would remove ALL guns from law abiding citizens...NONE.

So, lets keep the dialogue tight, and to the point based upon facts, not what if's too much of that crap is already driving debate, as well as this epidemic insanity.....

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zevenenergie Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1284 The Netherlands Den Haag	Re: BAN Knives Reply #33 - 10/05/19 at 13:09:52 They are strong arguments that you have. And I hope for you that you get what you want. Where I live, only the government has the right to use violence. That is also on paper. And if I compare between your country and mine, I think it's safer here. Funny video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9058 Minn Gender:	Re: BAN Knives Reply #34 - 10/05/19 at 14:10:41 raydawg wrote on 10/05/19 at 12:03:27: "... that would remove ALL guns from law abiding citizens..." Ahhh silly Wabbit, Ya can't put that frog in cold water and raise the heat fast. Ya gotta do it S L O W E Y, bit by bit.
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Re: BAN Knives
Reply #35 - 10/05/19 at 14:24:14

zevenenergie wrote on 10/05/19 at 13:09:52:
And if I compare between your country and mine, I think it's safer here.

Might be, depending on what Country you are in.
And where you would go in the USA.

Here, parts of many states, are VERY un-safe.
In fact, safer walking the streets in Baghdad, Iraq,
than some in, Wash D.C., Chicago, St.Louis, N.Y. L.A.

Yet Most of the places are very safe.
A key to look for is,
if a place bans guns, has very 'controlling' and Draconian, gun control laws, stay away.
If a place freely allows honest legal Citizens to have firearms,
that is a place you would want to go,
because very little crime their.

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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .

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Re: BAN Knives
Reply #36 - 10/05/19 at 14:52:02

MnSpring wrote on 10/05/19 at 14:10:41:

raydawg wrote on 10/05/19 at 12:03:27:
"... that would remove ALL guns from law abiding citizens..."

Ahhh silly Wabbit,
Ya can't put that frog in cold water and raise the heat fast.
Ya gotta do it S L O W E Y, bit by bit.

That is f'd up thinking my friend.....
Taken to its extreme, I'm gonna do whatever my wicked heart desires, because I am gonna die, regardless.....
Might as well get what I want, and screw everyone else who might object or suffer because of my actions.....

You just can't operate as such dude...NO ONE CAN.
We have to keep it real, in the moment, and act accordingly to what is transpiring around us.

I still love you tho Kiss

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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Online PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 5869 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: BAN Knives Reply #37 - 10/06/19 at 07:59:03 while on leave in Paris we were having lunch on the steps at Montmartre two trench coat cops didn't like my knife it was a switch blade without the spring
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