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Reply #15 - 10/04/19 at 12:52:27
 
 I could just ignore what I don't like to hear, or say I don't give a $hit about data I don't want to hear, or just start calling people names when they say things I don't agree with.

 That would be like dodge ball too.

 How exactly is talking about the social structure of how laws and banning of items not on topic?
 
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Reply #16 - 10/04/19 at 12:56:47
 
Look at
Rifles used in crime
Statistics.

Punish the lawful owners, the law abiding people, for the TINY minority.

Maybe making those obviously ridiculous
No Gun Zone things a thing of the past would be a good start.
How about changing schools BACK to how they were when America wasn't raising hoodlums?
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Reply #17 - 10/04/19 at 13:14:37
 

"Look at
Rifles used in crime
Statistics."


 Done.  We had this conversation already.

"Punish the lawful owners, the law abiding people, for the TINY minority."

 Not a good idea, but comparing it to people cutting their d!cks off won't help, nor will comparing it to bank robberies or texting.  

 As for No Gun Zone would that apply to a nightclub?
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Reply #18 - 10/04/19 at 15:52:27
 
No , you're wrong.
The analogy of

How many people need to die before YOU, a law abiding citizen,are willing to give up your guns is perfectly represented by
How many women have to get raped before you, a non rapist, will cut off your dikk.

Pretend it's not so, but it's a perfect analogy.
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Reply #19 - 10/04/19 at 20:13:45
 

 Its an analogy that is worthless is my point.

 It may be different where you live but where I am I couldn't bring that to local government to prepare a bill for the Senate.  You would get nowhere with that argument at a town hall, you couldn't present it to local groups to organize a petition and be taken seriously.

 Telling people they should ben red cars will get just as far.  Not enough people will take it seriously, and while people argue how the red car analogy is applicable somebody else is presenting a real law, a real gun control measure to local politicians.
 
 As for No Gun Zone would that apply to a nightclub?
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Reply #20 - 10/04/19 at 22:46:34
 
So you want to play?
Schools..
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Reply #21 - 10/04/19 at 23:48:16
 
It is more like that when someone has a gun, he feels more powerful. And that kind of power is always corrupt.

Real authority comes from the heart. And I am convinced that staying in the heart is the best protection there is.

Someone who is in his heart attracts different situations, than someone who is scared and walks around with a gun.

And living from your heart has a contagious effect.

Living in accordance with your heart is universal.
And Someone who abide,s wiht the heart is welcome everywhere.

Sounds pretty close to peace, to me.  Wink
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Reply #22 - 10/05/19 at 05:06:20
 
ts an analogy that is worthless is my point.

I disagree.
It shines a light on just how ridiculous it is to ban a weapon that isn't at fault.
My AR15 hasn't shot anyone. I feel for the victims, but how does taking my gun protect anyone? About as much as someone demanding my D!kk be cut off because there are rapists.

Since that is obviously ludicrous and since cutting off my D! kk would not solve a problem, maybe the Frikken idiots who want to ban a weapon could rethink their position.
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Reply #23 - 10/05/19 at 05:12:41
 
zevenenergie wrote on 10/04/19 at 23:48:16:
It is more like that when someone has a gun, he feels more powerful. And that kind of power is always corrupt.

Real authority comes from the heart. And I am convinced that staying in the heart is the best protection there is.

Someone who is in his heart attracts different situations, than someone who is scared and walks around with a gun.

And living from your heart has a contagious effect.

Living in accordance with your heart is universal.
And Someone who abide,s wiht the heart is welcome everywhere.

Sounds pretty close to peace, to me.  Wink



All that sounds real good.
A nice young couple set out to show how that works. They were gonna show the world that evil is really just a construct and they were riding their bicycles through the middle east,
Where they were beheaded.

Of COURSE a man with a gun feels more powerful.
He's less VULNERABLE.
Doesn't mean he's gonna turn into a bully.
I guarantee you you'll never catch me without a knife. I don't swagger around and act like a jerk because I could stab someone if I wanted.
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Reply #24 - 10/05/19 at 05:37:16
 
eone who is in his heart attracts different situations, than someone who is scared and walks around with a gun.


The victims of these mass shootings weren't scared, until they realized they were in the vicinity of a murderous idiot who wasn't SCARED and decided to take a gun and go kill people.
I don't Want to carry a gun. They are cumbersome, and come with tremendous responsibility. I'm not scared because I don't have one everywhere I go. But if someone started shooting, then I'd be scared, even if I had a gun. But I would not be defenseless. The victims of these shootings were, I guess, not
In their Hearts? Is that what you're saying? They must have invited that situation onto themselves somehow, if I'm reading you right.
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Reply #25 - 10/05/19 at 05:42:48
 
It is fear.

A weapon gives no security. It actually provokes aggression. And it doesn't make a man powerfull, it make,s him feel powerful.
The reality is, it shows his weakness and his fear makes him weaker.

Someone who is in his heart knows his limits.
His challenge is to stay in the heart. Such a person finds a heated conversation a success if he has been able to keep his heart open.


All the discussions about weapons, show how scared people are.

In ecention they can be traced back to:

*1  Please put your weapon away, I'm scared. Undecided
*2  please let me keep my weapon, I am scared. Undecided

We share the same need. We want to be save.

And to answer your question, they were in that situation, no story.




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Reply #26 - 10/05/19 at 07:15:45
 
It is fear.  A weapon gives no security. It actually provokes aggression. And it doesn't make a man powerfull, it make,s him feel powerful.
The reality is, it shows his weakness and his fear makes him weaker.

I see,
You have NO Smoke Detector, because you have No Fear of Smoke.
You have NO Fire Extinguisher because you have No Fear of Fire
You wear NO seat belts because you have No Fear of a Car Accident.
You have NO insurance because you have No Fear of a Thief.
Etc, etc, etc, etc,

Or could you say, you have the above things,
because you are, 'Prepared', for ... ... ...  etc.

This, “someone who is scared and walks around with a gun”,
is Ultra Liberal 101.
It is the result of ignorance, and/or total disregard and ignoring of a subject.
(Remember, ‘Ignorance’, is not knowing about something, ’Stupid’ is not having the ability to learn about something)

One of the pontificates, that every Liberal is required to repeat over and over, and over, is:
‘I don’t like a gun,
then you will not have one’


Thus removing ones Freedom, Actually being ‘Useful Idiots’.
So when freedom is gone, and the 2nd is removed/changed, the 1st will shortly follow, with the rest being altered, so that the ‘Useful Idiots’, will  become slaves, to line the pockets of those in power simply because no Freedom will be left.
It will not be in the form of a ’salt mine’, it will be in the form of Taxes.
And ‘Freedom’, sure, you can have a Red/Blue/White car, you can have Orange, Green, Purple socks. Etc.
As long as you PAY !


A person who values freedom will say:
‘I don’t like guns, so I don’t have one,
if you like guns, you can have them’

BTY, zevenenergie, are you from Chicago ?
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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
Which is More TRUE, today, than yesterday.('06, S-40, Stock) well, mostly .
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Reply #27 - 10/05/19 at 08:12:37
 

"So you want to play?
Schools.."

 
 Ok.  Arm teachers and visitors, children over 18.

 And Nightlubs?  What is your take on "Gun Free" nightclubs and bars?
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Reply #28 - 10/05/19 at 09:08:33
 
Eegore wrote on 10/05/19 at 08:12:37:
"So you want to play?
Schools.."

 
 Ok.  Arm teachers and visitors, children over 18.

 And Nightlubs?  What is your take on "Gun Free" nightclubs and bars?


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Its all misdirection and packaged to get folks, to think folks, care, etc....

When in reality it does not address the root cause of why folks need to act out.....
Most folk feel they have been wronged, minimized, hurt, and dismissed.
These folk lack the basic understandings of how to investigate their feelings of inferiority.

In truth, as a society, we allow capitalism to prey on these folks, by advertising products that if you purchased this hoodie, tennis shoe, beer, car, etc, that folks would envy you, as through this purchase, you will now be accepted, into the higher respected person, that this product deserves/demands.

Our very uniqueness, tho given lip service in matters like sexual identity, etc, is another false storefront, and one that only celebrates it, if you adhere to a certain chosen and promoted belief....

Co-dependency is another root cause to this mentality.....
One you find readily utilized by political factions with classic manipulations.

The bible talks about a persons sin, being passed on to, two generations....
Well that does not seem fair, does it.
Why should I be held accountable for what I didn't do, why would a loving God promote this?  

He doesn't.

What it is, is a prophecy......
Telling YOU the real consequences of YOUR sin, when most of us think/believe its only hurting us, temporarily, and we can make amends, later......After we do what we SELFISHLY want to do....!!!

All this other stuff is folly, a chasing of the wind.
Folks need to be honest with themselves, first.
And then be the example of what that belief is.
If its hate and fear, you will example that....
If its peace and love, that shall be your testimony.

As I said, everything else, a diversion from truth.

If its all, entertainment, nothing more, then I guess you have lots in commonality, with the Roman Empire, and their fun at the Colosseum....
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Reply #29 - 10/05/19 at 09:22:58
 
@MnSpring

I was born in one of the most notorious slums in my country.  I have experienced things that most people could not have lived with.

I don't have a gun. nor athor weapons Also no smoke detector. No insurance against theft.
I have insurance for when I cause other damage.

Fortunately, a fire insurance,  I was luky,  because last year there was a fire in my building. Lit on! 3 people died.

The next day he was having fun barbecuing on his balcony.
Life has its challenges. Wink

I see no reason to have a gun.
There are things you cannot defend against.

If something arises that requires action, I trust to know what is needed.

I don,t see ignorance as a lack of knowledge,  I see it as a confusion about who we really are.



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