MnSpring wrote on 09/28/19 at 15:01:31:


Yeah, he blew it too, and he is a accomplished liar  

HOWEVER, he lied about a BJ..... not some threat to our sovereignty  

the republican house at that time was  not getting any head

We just had an investigation into Russia's interference in our election, and Trump's possible collusion with them.
Now we have Trump on the phone with Ukraine asking for investigation into Biden and his son.
Withholding 400M in aid makes it even worse, but it's not necessary to the charge.
Asking a foreign power to investigate your political opponent 8 times and sending your personal lawyer to negotiate, along with Bill Barr's involvement in covering it up, is Russiagate times two.
...and Trump just turned over a 5 page confession...
Speaking of which,.. a 5 page summary of a 28 minute call is leaving a lot out.
It's the stuff that's left out that is most important.
It always is.  

The word possible was in reference to Russia,.. on the Ukraine issue, we have Trump's admission, and the 5 page summary.
More details to come, but this alone is proof from the horses mouth.
He did ask, and he did withhold military aid.  Period.

We just had an investigation into Russia's interference in our election, and Trump's possible collusion with them.

And there was none.

Now we have Trump on the phone with Ukraine asking for investigation into Biden and his son.Withholding 400M in aid makes it even worse, but it's not necessary to the charge.
You link those together as if you have evidence they were linked. Yet the President of Ukrain said there was no such thing. In fact, it was a month later.
Asking a foreign power to investigate your political opponent 8 times and sending your personal lawyer to negotiate, along with Bill Barr's involvement in covering it up, is Russiagate times two.
Barr was never told Trump used his name. And is it illegal, unethical, impeachable to suggest an investigation be reopened after the prosecutor resigned under pressue crom a former VP. By the way, the prosecutor in question has testified under oath that was the situation. So if you're genuinely concerned about an American official threatening a foreign nation by using his power, you might want to ask Uncle Joe what's up with that.

...and Trump just turned over a 5 page confession...
Or he turned over a 5 page document conclusively demonstrating his innocence.

Speaking of which,.. a 5 page summary of a 28 minute call is leaving a lot out.
It's the stuff that's left out that is most important.
It always is.  

So there is a massive conspiracy involving dozens of agents purposely leaving out huge sections of a phone call...

This is like the Kavanaugh thing. There is zero evidence indicating his guilt and in fact, there vast amouts of evidence pointing to the most logical answer which is that she lied. Such is the case here. The only way anyone sees anything devious in this phone call is by filtering it through your TDS infected brain.

You miss the point,..
Trump asking for investigation of an opponent is illegal...
Withholding the aid,... is ancillary...

Federal election law provides that a person may not “solicit, accept or receive” a contribution, donation or a “thing of value” from a foreign national in connection with a federal, state or local election.

If Trump had hired a company, it would be different...
He didn't, he was asking for a freebie...
You can't hire a country.
Holding the aid for ransom,.. is another abuse of office,
I don't know if it's a crime,.. it's still an abuse of office, and impeachable in itself.

Soliciting is the worst... you might accidentally accept or receive a thing of value, and you can report it or return it... but to solicit requires knowledge with aforethought...
You are asking for an illegal contribution.
And after the last election and Russia,.. and after involving your personal lawyer and the AG,.. you can't claim ignorance.
... you might plead insanity...

If the FBI thought it was a crime, they would investigate.
It's already been investigated 3 times by the Ukraine, and once by England... no crime...
Trump can't ask for free service to get dirt on an opponent from a foreign national.
Since it's already been investigated 3 times by the Ukraine, and nothing was found,... he's basically asking them to manufacture evidence.  Else he's asking for nothing.

From WSJ. Won't it be funny to watch how quickly this issue disappears from the radar if this talk leads back the the DNC, Obama, or Hilary especially if during her time as Secretary of State.

True, much media and political effort has gone into sometimes close and often willful parsing of President Trump’s July 25 conversation with President Volodymyr Zelensky —ironic when you consider Mr. Trump’s well-known linguistic promiscuity—not to mention the celebrated whistleblower complaint, which contains no firsthand information. Little notice has been given, however, to another document lying in plain sight: a Justice Department press release issued the day the conversation transcript became public.

That Justice Department statement makes explicit that the president never spoke with Attorney General William Barr “about having Ukraine investigate anything relating to former Vice President Biden or his son” or asked him to contact Ukraine “on this or any other matter,” and that the attorney general has not communicated at all with Ukraine. It also contains the following morsel: “A Department of Justice team led by U.S. Attorney John Durham is separately exploring the extent to which a number of countries, including Ukraine, played a role in the counterintelligence investigation directed at the Trump campaign during the 2016 election. While the Attorney General has yet to contact Ukraine in connection with this investigation, certain Ukrainians who are not members of the government have volunteered information to Mr. Durham, which he is evaluating.”

The definitive answer to the obvious question—what’s that about?—is known only to Mr. Durham and his colleagues. But publicly available reports, including by Andrew McCarthy in his new book, “Ball of Collusion,” suggest that during the 2016 campaign the Federal Bureau of Investigation tried to get evidence from Ukrainian government officials against Mr. Trump’s campaign manager, Paul Manafort, to pressure him into cooperating against Mr. Trump. When you grope through the miasma of Slavic names and follow the daisy chain of related people and entities, it appears that Ukrainian officials who backed the Clinton campaign provided information that generated the investigation of Mr. Manafort—acts that one Ukrainian court has said violated Ukrainian law and “led to interference in the electoral processes of the United States in 2016 and harmed the interests of Ukraine as a state.”