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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12828 Gender:	Re: we’re going to take your (GUN) Reply #105 - 09/18/19 at 18:35:54 Fully automatic or not, no one "needs" an AR-15. You don't get to make that decision for me. I'm pro-choice.
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: we’re going to take your (GUN) Reply #106 - 09/19/19 at 06:01:40 WebsterMark wrote on 09/18/19 at 18:35:54: Fully automatic or not, no one "needs" an AR-15. You don't get to make that decision for me. I'm pro-choice. I never said you couldn't have it. It should be restricted, that's all.
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12828 Gender:	Re: we’re going to take your (GUN) Reply #107 - 09/19/19 at 07:22:57 I'll restrict its use as I see fit.
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Re: we’re going to take your (GUN)
Reply #108 - 09/19/19 at 07:50:08

Eegore wrote on 09/18/19 at 16:48:00:

"I'm not sure, but I don't believe a fully automatic gun has been used in a crime in a long time"

Fully automatics are used in gang-related crime weekly. TEC-9's are still converted constantly for fully automatic use in black market circles. My experience is TEC-9's with the firing pin in backwards, Mac 10/11s converted to open bolt and Glocks with grey market select fire back plates would be most-common and easiest to acquire.

The question may be how many legally owned fully automatics are used in crime and you can count those on one hand since 1934.

This index provides plenty of confirmed numbers:

https://www.bjs.gov/index.cfm?ty=pbse&sid=31

How and where to verify each report:

https://www.bjs.gov/ucrdata/

The reports don't isolate automatics, they are combined with rifles, shotguns, etc.

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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: we’re going to take your (GUN) Reply #109 - 09/19/19 at 08:33:03 WebsterMark wrote on 09/19/19 at 07:22:57: I'll restrict its use as I see fit. Like I said - go try and just buy a minigun and see how that goes.
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12828 Gender:	Re: we’re going to take your (GUN) Reply #110 - 09/19/19 at 09:25:36 You have to go through expensive permitting to get an automatic weapon. I don't want one. But I've got no problem with AR15's. None of your f'ing business if I have one or 20. As Hawkeye says in Last of the Mohicans; “Do what you want with your own scalp, and don’t be telling us what to do with ours.” ...
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Re: we’re going to take your (GUN)
Reply #111 - 09/19/19 at 10:12:08

WebsterMark wrote on 09/19/19 at 09:25:36:
"... I've got no problem with AR15's. None of your f'ing business if I have one or 20..."

Oh No, ya just can't say that !
It's not PC, (According to the UL FDS Socialists)
It does not mesh with the 'Lock Step' socialist ideas, (According to the UL FDS Socialists)
It means you are a 'Racist' or something else, (According to the UL FDS Socialists)
It means you fear something, (According to the UL FDS Socialists)
It means you are a knuckle dragging Neanderthal, (According to the UL FDS Socialists)

"...As Hawkeye says in Last of the Mohicans;
“Do what you want with your own scalp, and don’t be telling us what to do with ours.” ..."

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Re: we’re going to take your (GUN)
Reply #112 - 09/19/19 at 10:37:23

Just think about what O’Rourke said:
“Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,”

Plenty of time has now passed, for the 9 others on that stage to completely disavow what O’Rourke said.
But, 2 others, joined him.

So all 10 of the people that want your vote,
ALL 10 of them, want to CONFISCATE firearms.
(The 7 others that agreed with O’Rourke by body language)
‘Prove It’, tt will certainly say.
Again, plenty of time has passed for any of the 7 to disavow what O’Rourke said.
None did.

So what caught them off their guard ?
Why aren’t they, ‘completely disavowing the confiscation of firearms’

Tell ya why.
Because that is what all of them are thinking.
Their GOAL was Never, ’save lives’
The Goal of the UL FDS SOCIALISTS, is to BAN guns.

Again don’t get your Panties in a bunch,
the possibility of going door to door, and Confiscating Guns,
Is right up their with winning a Mega Lotto,
three times in a row.

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Re: we’re going to take your (GUN)
Reply #113 - 09/19/19 at 10:57:25

Gee, here is a, ‘Common Sense’, solution.

Have the National Guard,
go into those, ‘areas’, which are known to have totally ileagal firearms,
illegally modified firearms,
And have people that have committed Murder,
and are hiding from the Law.
(Which no one is looking for)

And TAKE, those, Illegal Firearms FIRST !

Before you say, you will Confiscate,
LEGAL Firearms,
from LEGAL,
Law abiding Citizens !

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Re: we’re going to take your (GUN)
Reply #114 - 09/19/19 at 11:33:10

MnSpring wrote on 09/19/19 at 10:37:23:

Just think about what O’Rourke said:
“Hell yes, we’re going to take your AR-15, your AK-47,”

Plenty of time has now passed, for the 9 others on that stage to completely disavow what O’Rourke said.
But, 2 others, joined him.

So all 10 of the people that want your vote,
ALL 10 of them, want to CONFISCATE firearms.
(The 7 others that agreed with O’Rourke by body language)
‘Prove It’, tt will certainly say.
Again, plenty of time has passed for any of the 7 to disavow what O’Rourke said.
None did.

So what caught them off their guard ?
Why aren’t they, ‘completely disavowing the confiscation of firearms’

Tell ya why.
Because that is what all of them are thinking.
Their GOAL was Never, ’save lives’
The Goal of the UL FDS SOCIALISTS, is to BAN guns.

Again don’t get your Panties in a bunch,
the possibility of going door to door, and Confiscating Guns,
Is right up their with winning a Mega Lotto,
three times in a row.

Look out everyone - mn's in a panic!!

But seriously - I say this with all honesty - you, of all people on here, probably own the most guns and also post the most extreme, hyperbolic content.

It's actually a little scary.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 7987	Re: we’re going to take your (GUN) Reply #115 - 09/19/19 at 11:54:37 "The reports don't isolate automatics, they are combined with rifles, shotguns, etc." Correct. You would have to pull each case number and see if a weapon was positively identified.
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 8989 Minn Gender:	Re: we’re going to take your (GUN) Reply #116 - 09/19/19 at 13:32:57 T And T Garage wrote on 09/19/19 at 11:33:10: It's actually a little scary. WOW, Ya just can't wait until the, 'RED' laws come out, can ya !
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Re: we’re going to take your (GUN)
Reply #117 - 09/19/19 at 14:02:56

Then this happened.....

Colt will stop manufacturing AR-15 assault rifle for consumer market

Venerable gun manufacturer Colt says it will stop producing the AR-15, among other rifles, for the consumer market in the wake of many recent mass shootings in which suspects used the weapon.

"At the end of the day, we believe it is good sense to follow consumer demand and to adjust as market dynamics change," Dennis Veilleux, president and CEO of Colt, said in a statement. "Colt has been a stout supporter of the Second Amendment for over 180 years, remains so, and will continue to provide its customers with the finest quality firearms in the world."

The company did not mention mass shootings in its statement about stopping production and instead blamed the indefinite pause in making the weapon on a "significant excess manufacturing capacity."

"Given this level of manufacturing capacity, we believe there is adequate supply for modern sporting rifles for the foreseeable future," Veilleux said.

So, yeah.....

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Re: we’re going to take your (GUN)
Reply #118 - 09/19/19 at 16:06:12

T And T Garage wrote on 09/19/19 at 14:02:56:

Then this happened.....
Colt will stop manufacturing AR-15 assault rifle for consumer market

As usual, you don't have the first clue why Colt said that.

Here I'll SCHOOL YOU AGAIN !

1994 the 'Look Like and the AR-15 variants were banned.
Temporally, (and with NO Success)
At that time their were about 30 Manufactures, variants, of the AR-15.

In 2004 the BAN was lifted, and withing a year their were over 100 Manufactures/variants.
The demand was so great, one had to pay fully, UP front, just to get in line. Some companies even stopped answering the phone, cause they could not take any more orders !

Today their are 500 Manufactures, of some sort of AR-15 style variants.
In over three dozen calibers, Some even Shotguns.
(Yes Virginia, Five Hundred)

Interesting side note, their are only 6 manufactures that make Lowers.
Yet they will make them to any specks you tell them to.
They are the modern equivalent of Crescent Arms in the 20-30's

Those variants have become one of the most popular, sold, and made firearms that ever existed.
In 2004, 107,000 were made. In 2015, the number was 1.2 million.

Now for MORE Schooling.
Why did Colt announce that they were not going to make the AR-15 style gun.
1. To expensive to make.
2. Competition undercutting the price.
3. The latest 'Gun Ban' furry is a good time to announce.
4. Colt perceive that some of the UL Snowflakes, will spend money on buying a Colt product, because they think Colt is a nice guy.

Here are some more reasons:
"...The company's president and chief executive, Dennis Veilleux, said that the consumer market has "experienced significant excess manufacturing capacity," and that Colt believes there are enough rifles on the market for the foreseeable future...."

"...The gun-maker said the decision is purely market-driven and made no mention of any public pressure over the AR-15's use in several mass shootings...."

"...Colt will suspend production of AR-15 rifles ..."
(OH tt, do you understand the word, s u s p e n d ?)

"... Colt said its business remains healthy, buoyed by its numerous military and law enforcement contracts. Currently, these high-volume contracts are absorbing all of Colt’s manufacturing capacity for rifles,” the Connecticut-based company said..."

"...Veilleux said in the statement the company remains committed to the second amendment and is adapting to consumer demand..."
Which means Colt is not Selling enough to make a Profit.

Oh that's right tt, you really don't know anything about marketing.
Everyone is just suppose to 'give' things away,
(According to what the DSA people Tell You to say !)

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Reply #119 - 09/20/19 at 05:38:20

All that might be true Mn, but there's no way around it: they did this primarily because of the Democrat's fad of using AR15 every other sentence and their partnership with the US media. Colt's making enough money without that product so why risk all those military contracts if the Democrats win in 2020?

I don't own an AR15 but I thnk I'll buy one now.

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