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Re: Good Guys Without Guns
Reply #15 - 08/19/19 at 15:36:22
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/19/19 at 15:30:36:
Does anybody remember Chris Kyle,... trained, world class, sniper, with 160 kills?... shot to death at a gun range?

Ok, big deal. Do I post random times when someone with a citizen with a gun did stop somebody from getting killed and would that change you mind?


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Just realized you might not be joking...
Exhibit A... Antifa vs. milkshake man...
WebsterMark wrote on 08/16/19 at 14:19:50:

Posted,.. how many times?....
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Reply #16 - 08/19/19 at 15:58:56
 
Does anybody remember Chris Kyle,... trained, world class, sniper, with 160 kills?... shot to death at a gun range?

How does that mean Anything?
How do you use that to justify taking people's Right to self defense away?
More than once you've stated that the People would have no chance should the government decide to go full on tyranny,, and now you're pointing out that because someone was able to murder a trained sniper, and somehow it seems like you're saying there is no point in being armed. You OWN a gun. If someone showed up at your house, screaming threats and acting crazy, would you just dial 911 and sit down and wait to see who came through the door first
Or would you go get your gun and take a position in your house where you could defend yourself?
If the bad guy had a bigger gun with a big magazine, would you just throw your little gun out the window and surrender?
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Reply #17 - 08/19/19 at 16:07:15
 

"How do you use that to justify taking people's Right to self defense away?"

 That's a common overreach statement.

 Nobody is recommending removing the right to defend yourself or others in imminent harm.

 Nobody.

 You have the right to defend yourself.

 You do not however have the right to any and every weapon type ever developed as a means of self-defense.  Where the line is however is a valid question.
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Reply #18 - 08/19/19 at 16:17:53
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/19/19 at 15:36:22:
WebsterMark wrote on 08/19/19 at 15:30:36:
Does anybody remember Chris Kyle,... trained, world class, sniper, with 160 kills?... shot to death at a gun range?

Ok, big deal. Do I post random times when someone with a citizen with a gun did stop somebody from getting killed and would that change you mind?


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Just realized you might not be joking...
Exhibit A... Antifa vs. milkshake man...
WebsterMark wrote on 08/16/19 at 14:19:50:

Posted,.. how many times?....


WTF are you talking abou???
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Reply #19 - 08/19/19 at 16:19:08
 
Not the point,...
I sincerely believe the more guns there are, the more they are available to bad guys, and the more accidental shootings by good guys.

I just posted an FBI and a DEA agent accident.
One shot himself, one shot someone else.
There were 47,000 shootings last year... many were accidental, not all fatal.
More equals more... more guns, more shootings...

The more you drive, the more likely you'll get a flat.
What other country had anything remotely close to 47,000 shootings?...
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Reply #20 - 08/19/19 at 16:19:09
 
Let him speak for himself, okay?
How many ways do people have to say
The people don't need guns.
The cops are enough
Before you see what they are saying?
People have the RIGHT to self defense.
Ten people, unarmed people, died,
In A GUN FREE ZONE,,
Where was Their Right to self defense?
Gone, by government mandate, proven over and over to Not only NOT protect people, but to be the EXACT place where shooters go to kill.

This thread is not about Type, but about being forced to be unarmed, by government mandate, satisfying lefties and bubs who really are not right wing thinkers at all.
Wanna stop these random shooting events?
When twenty or thirty percent of the Crowd is generally armed, every idiot will know
Open fire and die..
Which won't stop the ones who are suicidal but don't have the guts..
Like murder suicides,, hell, start with the suicide,, but they don't..

Life is messy.
People are messy.
Been that way since the beginning.
Stop trying to handcuff people until you get your utopia.
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Reply #21 - 08/19/19 at 16:26:38
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/19/19 at 16:17:53:
Ok, big deal. Do I post random times when someone with a citizen with a gun did stop somebody from getting killed and would that change you mind?


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Just realized you might not be joking...
Exhibit A... Antifa vs. milkshake man...
WebsterMark wrote on 08/16/19 at 14:19:50:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WzMZxT-41k
Posted,.. how many times?....

WTF are you talking abou???

You've posted multiple times,.. a single act by Antifa, that you think proves they are more violent than white supremacists shooting masses of people.

...and yes,... two videos showing FBI and DEA trained experts accidentally shooting themselves and others in public does prove that a grade school teacher shouldn't be weaponized...
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Re: Good Guys Without Guns
Reply #22 - 08/19/19 at 16:38:30
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/19/19 at 16:19:08:
Not the point,...
I sincerely believe the more guns there are, the more they are available to bad guys, and the more accidental shootings by good guys.

I just posted an FBI and a DEA agent accident.
One shot himself, one shot someone else.
There were 47,000 shootings last year... many were accidental, not all fatal.
More equals more... more guns, more shootings...

The more you drive, the more likely you'll get a flat.
What other country had anything remotely close to 47,000 shootings?...



I'm an American. I have God given Rights, guaranteed by the Constitution. What happens in other places doesn't mean much to me.

You're talking about what is legally called
Prior Restraint.

It's stupid and unconstitutional, too.

In a non lefty reality, people are held responsible for their bad behavior, and allowed to benefit freely from their right choices. How many people die from car wrecks? Just Think of All the pain and suffering we will prevent when we ban cars!
That's a Perfect analogy, it's EXACTLY analogous.
It's BEEN tried your way.
Step back
Let us show you how to have a decent society.

Be some youngass getting straightened out in school for starters.
And your
Freedom FROM religion at school would be over.
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Reply #23 - 08/19/19 at 16:43:20
 
I posted that because you called them heroes, they just defend the faith or some such BS.

Pictures of dead children who died waiting for a cop shows it does.

There are ways to figure this out. No one said an 80 yesr old teacher who can barely walk is gonna be packing a .44. But if I remember Parkland, wasn't there a teacher with a CC permit who said he wish he had his weapon?
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Reply #24 - 08/19/19 at 16:45:32
 
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When you lose the argument, you switch tracks...
We were arguing  good guys with guns... now you switch to "your God given rights"...
So,... even though it's dangerous and will cost lives, your God given right supersedes those lives.
That's more intellectually honest.

That's the kind of logic we will vote out.
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Reply #25 - 08/19/19 at 16:52:09
 
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You repeatedly post one incident, where one Antifa, throws one punch,... and you declare them terrorists?...
The others were were girly kicking and tossing milkshakes and crazy straw...
The guy barely got a bruise...
...(I suppose you would have shot them)... Roll Eyes

White Supremacists have killed hundreds... in stores, synagogues, churches, and clubs...

There are hate groups,.. and there are defenders against hate groups.
No equivalence...

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Re: Good Guys Without Guns
Reply #26 - 08/19/19 at 17:06:30
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/19/19 at 16:45:32:
JoG

When you lose the argument, you switch tracks...
We were arguing  good guys with guns... now you switch to "your God given rights"...
So,... even though it's dangerous and will cost lives, your God given right supersedes those lives.
That's more intellectually honest.

That's the kind of logic we will vote out.


I LOST?
Not to you I didn't.
You are wrong and nothing but wrong.
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Reply #27 - 08/19/19 at 18:55:26
 
"Ten people, unarmed people, died,
In A GUN FREE ZONE,,
Where was Their Right to self defense?"


 They did not have their right to self defense revoked.  Had they attempted to protect themselves or others from harm nobody - Nobody would prosecute them for engaging in the affirmative action of self defense.  Not one person has their right to self defense revoked.

 Typing it over and over does not make that true.

 How many people in Wal Mart were required by law to enter?  None.

 That's exactly how many had their right to self defense revoked.  None.
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Reply #28 - 08/19/19 at 19:02:23
 
"I'm an American. I have God given Rights, guaranteed by the Constitution. What happens in other places doesn't mean much to me."

 Unless its bringing up how all teachers in Israel carry guns.  Which doesn't happen.


"...and yes,... two videos showing FBI and DEA trained experts accidentally shooting themselves and others in public does prove that a grade school teacher shouldn't be weaponized..."

 There is no part of Federal training that exceeds the national standard available to civilians that reduces the potential for accidental shooting with one's own firearm.  

 Training is concentrated typically on handling a weapon under duress, and quick judgement application.  The safety stuff is pretty much universal.  
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Reply #29 - 08/20/19 at 05:00:02
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/19/19 at 15:25:40:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/19/19 at 14:45:59:
WebsterMark wrote on 08/19/19 at 14:29:12:
What is it about the guy in Dayton that you're willfully ignorant about?  He was confronted and shot in 30 seconds and 10 people still died.

The kids in Parkland died while an armed cop stood outside.

Yeah, stood outside.  Big difference.  There was a well trained police officer on the scene in 20 seconds, the shooter was taken out 10 seconds later.  You wanna tell me how "billy bob", or anyone else is going to do better?

If one of those teachers had been trained and had access to a firearm, would things have been different? No one knows and there's no way to know, but what we do know is everyone of us would rather a trained, armed teacher had access.


No, not all of us.  All of you.

Again, a trained officer is on the scene in 20 seconds and puts down a shooter in 10 seconds.

What kind of training are you gonna put these teachers through?  Oh, and who's gonna pay for it?

Why not put that money to where it can do more good - like, um, policing and profiling...  or did you miss the part where 3 mass shooting were circumvented this past week?



Huh? 20 seconds at Parkland? I was talking at Parking High School.


I'm talking about Dayton.
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