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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #210 - 09/10/19 at 13:06:16
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/10/19 at 12:51:50:
Sooo, your Science supports the hockey stick, and REALITY says
BULLSHIT.

Well, maybe your reality, but not actual reality. (hey, you're the one that believed that Sandy Hook was a false flag op....)

Yet, after all these years of the screeching about the
Sky is falling
And
Exactly
NONE
Of the dire predictions actually coming to pass
You Still Believe.

Terrifying,  


What's terrifying is that there are so many people out there with your mindset.

Thank goodness it's a very small minority.
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Reply #211 - 09/10/19 at 18:28:22
 
You're saying that hockey stick that was supposed to graph the temperatures that would become common Actually happened?
Show me, Ohhh, please,
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Reply #212 - 09/10/19 at 20:39:57
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/10/19 at 18:28:22:
You're saying that hockey stick that was supposed to graph the temperatures that would become common Actually happened?
Show me, Ohhh, please,


I have shown you.

You're willfully ignorant.
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Reply #215 - 09/11/19 at 04:59:53
 
The infamous hockey stick graph was apparently completely fabricated. How much money and effort was spent based on that lie? How many people still believe it completely?  Some people looked at the graph and said “that just can’t be right” and they were laughed at. That’s our point. Those of us who disagree the climate change is the most pressing issue on the planet today. That’s utter nonsense.

Jog challenged TT to show him where the temperatures today are where the IPCC predicted they would be. TT’s response was he did show him. The reality is of course he did not show him because he cannot show him because the temperatures are nowhere near the predictions.

The man who made the hockey stick, Michael Mann, is now a wealthy prestigious professor at Penn State University. His entire career has been based upon a fabricated graph that was the basis for many other people’s fabulous career.  And it’s not just the money, it’s the accolades and support from their peers.  It’s not that they’re bad people or outright thieves, it’s just that they’ve discovered this global warming thing fulfills  certain needs and now they’re so far deep into it, the idea about acknowledging the falsehood of many core beliefs  would be impossible. They’re too far in.

Many like to point out the “big oil“ funds deniers but that’s just simply not true. The reality is climate change is a big business and many people are leading very successful lives because of it.
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Reply #216 - 09/11/19 at 05:52:45
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/11/19 at 04:59:53:
The infamous hockey stick graph was apparently completely fabricated. How much money and effort was spent based on that lie? How many people still believe it completely?  Some people looked at the graph and said “that just can’t be right” and they were laughed at. That’s our point. Those of us who disagree the climate change is the most pressing issue on the planet today. That’s utter nonsense.

Jog challenged TT to show him where the temperatures today are where the IPCC predicted they would be. TT’s response was he did show him. The reality is of course he did not show him because he cannot show him because the temperatures are nowhere near the predictions.

The man who made the hockey stick, Michael Mann, is now a wealthy prestigious professor at Penn State University. His entire career has been based upon a fabricated graph that was the basis for many other people’s fabulous career.  And it’s not just the money, it’s the accolades and support from their peers.  It’s not that they’re bad people or outright thieves, it’s just that they’ve discovered this global warming thing fulfills  certain needs and now they’re so far deep into it, the idea about acknowledging the falsehood of many core beliefs  would be impossible. They’re too far in.

Many like to point out the “big oil“ funds deniers but that’s just simply not true. The reality is climate change is a big business and many people are leading very successful lives because of it.



Like I said, thank goodness you and jog are part of a small minority.


Here you go....

The original northern hemisphere hockey stick graph of Mann, Bradley & Hughes 1999, smoothed curve shown in blue with its uncertainty range in light blue, overlaid with green dots showing the 30-year global average of the PAGES 2k Consortium 2013 reconstruction. The red curve shows measured global mean temperature, according to HadCRUT4 data from 1850 to 2013.




RATE.

OF.

CHANGE.


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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #217 - 09/11/19 at 07:23:36
 
Funny, where I live, it doesn't feel like that scary graph. The snow Gore said was gone
Isn't
The arctic
Still arctic
The polar bears that we were told would be extinct
Higher numbers today..

Mann LOST in court
Because he would not provide the DATA that he based his claims on.
Let That soak in.
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Reply #218 - 09/11/19 at 08:24:07
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/11/19 at 07:23:36:
Funny, where I live, it doesn't feel like that scary graph. The snow Gore said was gone
Isn't
The arctic
Still arctic
The polar bears that we were told would be extinct
Higher numbers today..

Mann LOST in court
Because he would not provide the DATA that he based his claims on.

LOL - yeah, only there are about a dozen other sources and consortiums that provided data....

Let That soak in. - indeed

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Reply #219 - 09/11/19 at 10:37:50
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/11/19 at 00:00:20:



Go look at the history of lies.
But NOW it's TWUE!
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Reply #220 - 09/11/19 at 10:51:31
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/11/19 at 10:37:50:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/11/19 at 00:00:20:



Go look at the history of lies.
But NOW it's TWUE!



Like I said, thankfully you're in a tiny minority.  Everyone else with a shred of common sense knows the truth and respects the science.

We really don't care that you don't believe - we're just trying to educate you.  But when it comes down to it - you lead an ignoramus to the school, but you can't make him think.
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Reply #221 - 09/11/19 at 11:12:59
 
With the exception of how many are deluded, I agree, the masses are conned. You didn't even look at the history of lies, did you? You will not explain why you continue to believe when every prediction of the Dire Consequences have been Wrong.

But you effectively said what I would say to you.  

Show me SOMETHING, Anything, that the alarmists have been telling us would happen if we didn't drastically change how we live
That has happened!!
Quit with the talking points and SHOW ME something that has happened.
We've gone through every
In ten years
In twelve years
In twenty years
Threats like
Polar bears extinct
They are doing GREAT!
No more snow..
Wrong
The arctic will be almost ice free
Uhh, how many lefty expeditions to prove what a disaster it was have had to be rescued because they got trapped in that nonexistent ICE?

Hurricanes will be more common and worse.
Didn't happen.

And you want ME to   call  your cult of fear mongers
CREDIBLE?
Based on WHAT?
Show me where you're CORRECT.
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Reply #222 - 09/11/19 at 11:39:38
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/11/19 at 11:12:59:
With the exception of how many are deluded, I agree, the masses are conned. You didn't even look at the history of lies, did you? You will not explain why you continue to believe when every prediction of the Dire Consequences have been Wrong.

But you effectively said what I would say to you.  

Show me SOMETHING, Anything, that the alarmists have been telling us would happen if we didn't drastically change how we live
That has happened!!
Quit with the talking points and SHOW ME something that has happened.
We've gone through every
In ten years
In twelve years
In twenty years
Threats like
Polar bears extinct
They are doing GREAT!
No more snow..
Wrong
The arctic will be almost ice free
Uhh, how many lefty expeditions to prove what a disaster it was have had to be rescued because they got trapped in that nonexistent ICE?

Hurricanes will be more common and worse.
Didn't happen.

And you want ME to   call  your cult of fear mongers
CREDIBLE?
Based on WHAT?
Show me where you're CORRECT.



Dude, whatever.  You're the same guy that believed that someone ordered first responders at Ground Zero to not wear respirators and you believed that Sandy Hook was a false flag.  You buy into conspiracies more often and quicker than trump puts out tweets.

You have zero credibility.  None.  Zip.  The empty set.  Zilch.

Meanwhile, temperature readings have GONE UP AT A RATE THAT IS UNPRECEDENTED and you choose to ignore that fact.

You're in essence, a flat-earther.

There's no talking to you.  The "masses" aren't brain washed - they're educated.  You and your band of disbelievers are in la-la land, drinking - hell, guzzling the q-anon kool aid.

Give it up - you're wrong.  You.  Are.  Wrong.
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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?yoi
Reply #223 - 09/11/19 at 12:46:36
 
You continue to hide behind BULLSHIT.
You WILL NOT explain Why you continue to believe, after I have shown reason for not.
You continue to Proclaim I'm wrong, without EVIDENCE, while I've provided a series of dire consequences that we have been told over and over would be our future,
AND NOT ONE HAS COME TO PASS
And YOU call ME ignorant.

You're a living example of the whole
It's easier to pull the wool over someone's eyes than it is to pull it off
cliche
And
In the FWIW column
In the seventies I actually believed the same Bullshit you continue to believe
When the proponents of the lie have destroyed ALL credibility.
You believe Bullshit.
And ignore a call to rationally consider it.
You're not able to answer
Any of my points.
You just continue to spew your talking points.
Good Frikken GOD America is in trouble with such easily duped adults voting.
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Reply #224 - 09/11/19 at 13:55:35
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/11/19 at 12:46:36:
You continue to hide behind BULLSHIT.
You WILL NOT explain Why you continue to believe, after I have shown reason for not.
You continue to Proclaim I'm wrong, without EVIDENCE, while I've provided a series of dire consequences that we have been told over and over would be our future,
AND NOT ONE HAS COME TO PASS
And YOU call ME ignorant.

You're a living example of the whole
It's easier to pull the wool over someone's eyes than it is to pull it off
cliche
And
In the FWIW column
In the seventies I actually believed the same Bullshit you continue to believe
When the proponents of the lie have destroyed ALL credibility.
You believe Bullshit.
And ignore a call to rationally consider it.
You're not able to answer
Any of my points.
You just continue to spew your talking points.
Good Frikken GOD America is in trouble with such easily duped adults voting.


I presented evidence - here it is again.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_graph

Further reconstructions were published, using additional proxies and different methodology. Juckes et al. 2007 and Lee, Zwiers & Tsao 2008 compared and evaluated the various statistical approaches.[135] In July 2008 Huang, Pollack and Shen published a suite of borehole reconstructions covering 20,000 years. They showed warm episodes in the mid-Holocene and the Medieval period, a little ice age and 20th century warming reaching temperatures higher than Medieval Warm Period peak temperatures in any of the reconstructions: they described this finding as consistent with the IPCC AR4 conclusions.[136]

In a paper published by PNAS on 9 September 2008, Mann and colleagues produced updated reconstructions of Earth surface temperature for the past two millennia.[35] This reconstruction used a more diverse dataset that was significantly larger than the original tree-ring study, at more than 1,200 proxy records. They used two complementary methods, both of which showed a similar "hockey stick" graph with recent increases in northern hemisphere surface temperature are anomalous relative to at least the past 1300 years. Mann said, "Ten years ago, the availability of data became quite sparse by the time you got back to 1,000 AD, and what we had then was weighted towards tree-ring data; but now you can go back 1,300 years without using tree-ring data at all and still get a verifiable conclusion."[137] In a PNAS response, McIntyre and McKitrick said that they perceived a number of problems, including that Mann et al used some data with the axes upside down.[138] Mann et al. replied that McIntyre and McKitrick "raise no valid issues regarding our paper" and the "claim that 'upside down' data were used is bizarre", as the methods "are insensitive to the sign of predictors." They also said that excluding the contentious datasets has little effect on the result.[139]

A study of the changing climate of the Arctic over the last 2,000 years, by an international consortium led by Darrell Kaufman of Northern Arizona University, was published on 4 September 2009. They examined sediment core records from 14 Arctic lakes, supported by tree ring and ice core records. Their findings showed a long term cooling trend consistent with cycles in the Earth's orbit which would be expected to continue for a further 4,000 years but had been reversed in the 20th century by a sudden rise attributed to greenhouse gas emissions. The decline had continued through the Medieval period and the Little Ice Age. The most recent decade, 1999–2008, was the warmest of the period, and four of the five warmest decades occurred between 1950 and 2000. Scientific American described the graph as largely replicating "the so-called 'hockey stick,' a previous reconstruction".[140]

Further support for the "hockey stick" graph came from a new method of analysis using Bayesian statistics developed by Martin Tingley and Peter Huybers of Harvard University, which produced the same basic shape, albeit with more variability in the past, and found the 1990s to have been the warmest decade in the 600-year period the study covered.[141]

2010 onwards
Further information: IPCC Fifth Assessment Report
A 2,000 year extratropical Northern Hemisphere reconstruction by Ljungqvist published by Geografiska Annaler in September 2010 drew on additional proxy evidence to show both a Roman Warm Period and a Medieval Warm Period with decadal mean temperatures reaching or exceeding the reference 1961–1990 mean temperature level. Instrumental records of the period 1990–2010 were possibly above any temperature in the reconstruction period, though this did not appear in the proxy records. They concluded that their "reconstruction agrees well with the reconstructions by Moberg et al. (2005) and Mann et al. (2008) with regard to the amplitude of the variability as well as the timing of warm and cold periods, except for the period c. ad 300–800, despite significant differences in both data coverage and methodology."[142]

A 2010 opinion piece by David Frank, Jan Esper, Eduardo Zorita and Rob Wilson (Frank et al. 2010) noted that by then over two dozen large-scale climate reconstructions had been published, showing a broad consensus that there had been exceptional 20th century warming after earlier climatic phases, notably the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age. There were still issues of large-scale natural variability to be resolved, especially for the lowest frequency variations, and they called for further research to improve expert assessment of proxies and to develop reconstruction methods explicitly allowing for structural uncertainties in the process.[13]

As several studies had noted, regression-based reconstruction methods tended to underestimate low-frequency variability. Bo Christiansen designed a new method (LOC) to overcome this problem, and with Ljungqvist used LOC to produce a 1,000 year reconstruction published in 2011. This showed more low frequency variability and a colder Little Ice Age than previous studies.[143] They then extended the LOC reconstruction back using selected proxies which had a documented relation to temperature and passed a screening procedure. This 2,000 year reconstruction, published in 2012, again showed more variability than earlier reconstructions. It found a homogenous Little Ice Age from 1580–1720 showing colder conditions in all areas, and a well defined but possibly less homogenous Medieval Warm Period peak around 950–1050, reaching or slightly exceeding mid 20th century temperatures as indicated by previous studies including Mann et al. 2008 and 2009.[144]

Ljungqvist et al. 2012 used a larger network of proxies than previous studies, including use low-resolution proxy data with as few as two data points per century, to produce a reconstruction showing centennial patterns of temperature variability in space and time for northern hemisphere land areas over the last 1,200 years. At this broad scale, they found widespread warmth from the 9th to 11th centuries approximating to the 20th century mean, with dominant cooling from the 16th to 18th centuries. The greatest warming occurred from the 19th to the 20th centuries, and they noted that instrumental records of recent decades were much warmer than the 20th century mean. Their spatial reconstruction showed similarities to the Mann et al. 2009 climate field reconstruction, though the different resolution meant these were not directly comparable. The results were robust, even when significant numbers of proxies were removed.[145]

Marcott et al. 2013 used seafloor and lake bed sediment proxies, which were completely independent of those used in earlier studies, to reconstruct global temperatures over the past 11,300 years, covering the entire Holocene, and showing over the last 1,000 years confirmation of the original MBH99 hockey stick graph.[146] Temperatures had slowly risen from the last ice age to reach a level which lasted from 10,000 to 5,000 years ago, then in line with Milankovitch cycles had begun a slow decline, interrupted by a small rise during the Medieval Warm Period, to the Little Ice Age. That decline had then been interrupted by a uniquely rapid rise in the 20th century to temperatures which were already the warmest for at least 4,000 years, within the range of uncertainties of the highest temperatures in the whole period, and on current estimates were likely to exceed those temperatures by 2100.[147]





But yeah, live in ignorance, jog.....

BTW - these measurements are CURRENT, NOT ESTIMATES.

THE RATE OF CHANGE IS THE ALARM BELL!!!

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