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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #195 - 09/10/19 at 08:13:00
 
Perfect comment I read elsewhere.

Page 771 of the IPCC's 2018 report:

"The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.”

Sounds like Page 1 material to me.
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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #196 - 09/10/19 at 08:30:19
 
WebsterMark wrote on 09/10/19 at 06:41:46:
T And T Garage wrote on 09/10/19 at 05:47:21:
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/10/19 at 00:32:09:
Excellent contribution E..
I pointed out that out of probably six or more times I've tried to get anyone, someone, to even discuss the warm period, nope, not happening.

I have a topic to discuss
And
Rather than talk about it
I get shut out.
No answers..




Rate.

Of.

Change.


The "warm period" doesn't enter into the discussion.  The last ice age was nearly 3 million years ago.  No humans of any consequence then.  Further, the cycle of warming happened as it did for millions of years before - slow and steady (on a planetary scale).

The rate of change in temperature since the industrial revolution is what's at issue now.  There is a direct correlation between the two.

Now, if you want to ignore it - fine.  But don't preach to us that it's fake.


15,000 years ago, your house would be under a ice. The Great Lakes weren't yet formed. 15,000 years is a second on the earth's geological clock. You're looking at a fraction of a degree over a fraction of a second and telling everyone to change their life. Sorry, ain't buying it.



Rate.

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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #197 - 09/10/19 at 08:56:59
 
T And T Garage wrote on 09/10/19 at 08:30:19:
Rate.  Of.  Change.

I see, so the 34 (+/-) years of study, (Satellites data),
is the ONLY data to be considered.
And the 4.5 BILLION Years this spaceship has been flying,
is to be totally discounted.

OK  Got it Eddie.

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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #198 - 09/10/19 at 09:08:37
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/10/19 at 08:56:59:
T And T Garage wrote on 09/10/19 at 08:30:19:
Rate.  Of.  Change.

I see, so the 34 (+/-) years of study, (Satellites data),
is the ONLY data to be considered.
And the 4.5 BILLION Years this spaceship has been flying,
is to be totally discounted.

OK  Got it Eddie.




No, wrong once again.  Satellite data is not the only thing contributing to the findings.  There's data going back to the 1800's.
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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #199 - 09/10/19 at 09:15:21
 
The medieval warm period
Demonstrates that planet earth, through purely NATURAL means can warm, and warm quickly.
That Wasn't thousands of years ago.
So the point is, what changes Are occurring actually fall in the range of what has been Demonstrated to be possible naturally.


Why continue to believe what has been demonstrated at every turn to have predicted wrongly?


Mann LOST his lawsuit.
He won't show the data that supports his
Hockey stick Bullshit.

You want Science?
Read it. Then explain WHY it's wrong.


http://thesilicongraybeard.blogspot.com

Check out the links.
Or keep up spewing the fear porn.
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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #200 - 09/10/19 at 09:23:20
 
T And T Garage wrote on 09/10/19 at 08:30:19:
 The last ice age was nearly 3 million years ago.  

Just amazing how you bold faced LIE about things.

Perhaps your Lies will work with kids who are not taught,
and are used to eating Tide Pods,
and are confused as to which bathroom to use.

But here, when you say: 'The last ice age was nearly 3 million years ago',
EVERYONE knows, it is a total Lie.

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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #201 - 09/10/19 at 09:29:30
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 09/10/19 at 09:15:21:
The medieval warm period
Demonstrates that planet earth, through purely NATURAL means can warm, and warm quickly.
That Wasn't thousands of years ago.
So the point is, what changes Are occurring actually fall in the range of what has been Demonstrated to be possible naturally.


Why continue to believe what has been demonstrated at every turn to have predicted wrongly?


Mann LOST his lawsuit.
He won't show the data that supports his
Hockey stick Bullshit.

You want Science?
Read it. Then explain WHY it's wrong.


http://thesilicongraybeard.blogspot.com

Check out the links.
Or keep up spewing the fear porn.



Yep - like talking to a child covering his ears and screaming "NO NO NO - I'm not listening..."

Keep wallowing in ignorance jog.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey_stick_graph

Further reconstructions were published, using additional proxies and different methodology. Juckes et al. 2007 and Lee, Zwiers & Tsao 2008 compared and evaluated the various statistical approaches.[135] In July 2008 Huang, Pollack and Shen published a suite of borehole reconstructions covering 20,000 years. They showed warm episodes in the mid-Holocene and the Medieval period, a little ice age and 20th century warming reaching temperatures higher than Medieval Warm Period peak temperatures in any of the reconstructions: they described this finding as consistent with the IPCC AR4 conclusions.[136]

In a paper published by PNAS on 9 September 2008, Mann and colleagues produced updated reconstructions of Earth surface temperature for the past two millennia.[35] This reconstruction used a more diverse dataset that was significantly larger than the original tree-ring study, at more than 1,200 proxy records. They used two complementary methods, both of which showed a similar "hockey stick" graph with recent increases in northern hemisphere surface temperature are anomalous relative to at least the past 1300 years. Mann said, "Ten years ago, the availability of data became quite sparse by the time you got back to 1,000 AD, and what we had then was weighted towards tree-ring data; but now you can go back 1,300 years without using tree-ring data at all and still get a verifiable conclusion."[137] In a PNAS response, McIntyre and McKitrick said that they perceived a number of problems, including that Mann et al used some data with the axes upside down.[138] Mann et al. replied that McIntyre and McKitrick "raise no valid issues regarding our paper" and the "claim that 'upside down' data were used is bizarre", as the methods "are insensitive to the sign of predictors." They also said that excluding the contentious datasets has little effect on the result.[139]

A study of the changing climate of the Arctic over the last 2,000 years, by an international consortium led by Darrell Kaufman of Northern Arizona University, was published on 4 September 2009. They examined sediment core records from 14 Arctic lakes, supported by tree ring and ice core records. Their findings showed a long term cooling trend consistent with cycles in the Earth's orbit which would be expected to continue for a further 4,000 years but had been reversed in the 20th century by a sudden rise attributed to greenhouse gas emissions. The decline had continued through the Medieval period and the Little Ice Age. The most recent decade, 1999–2008, was the warmest of the period, and four of the five warmest decades occurred between 1950 and 2000. Scientific American described the graph as largely replicating "the so-called 'hockey stick,' a previous reconstruction".[140]

Further support for the "hockey stick" graph came from a new method of analysis using Bayesian statistics developed by Martin Tingley and Peter Huybers of Harvard University, which produced the same basic shape, albeit with more variability in the past, and found the 1990s to have been the warmest decade in the 600-year period the study covered.[141]

2010 onwards
Further information: IPCC Fifth Assessment Report
A 2,000 year extratropical Northern Hemisphere reconstruction by Ljungqvist published by Geografiska Annaler in September 2010 drew on additional proxy evidence to show both a Roman Warm Period and a Medieval Warm Period with decadal mean temperatures reaching or exceeding the reference 1961–1990 mean temperature level. Instrumental records of the period 1990–2010 were possibly above any temperature in the reconstruction period, though this did not appear in the proxy records. They concluded that their "reconstruction agrees well with the reconstructions by Moberg et al. (2005) and Mann et al. (2008) with regard to the amplitude of the variability as well as the timing of warm and cold periods, except for the period c. ad 300–800, despite significant differences in both data coverage and methodology."[142]

A 2010 opinion piece by David Frank, Jan Esper, Eduardo Zorita and Rob Wilson (Frank et al. 2010) noted that by then over two dozen large-scale climate reconstructions had been published, showing a broad consensus that there had been exceptional 20th century warming after earlier climatic phases, notably the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age. There were still issues of large-scale natural variability to be resolved, especially for the lowest frequency variations, and they called for further research to improve expert assessment of proxies and to develop reconstruction methods explicitly allowing for structural uncertainties in the process.[13]

As several studies had noted, regression-based reconstruction methods tended to underestimate low-frequency variability. Bo Christiansen designed a new method (LOC) to overcome this problem, and with Ljungqvist used LOC to produce a 1,000 year reconstruction published in 2011. This showed more low frequency variability and a colder Little Ice Age than previous studies.[143] They then extended the LOC reconstruction back using selected proxies which had a documented relation to temperature and passed a screening procedure. This 2,000 year reconstruction, published in 2012, again showed more variability than earlier reconstructions. It found a homogenous Little Ice Age from 1580–1720 showing colder conditions in all areas, and a well defined but possibly less homogenous Medieval Warm Period peak around 950–1050, reaching or slightly exceeding mid 20th century temperatures as indicated by previous studies including Mann et al. 2008 and 2009.[144]

Ljungqvist et al. 2012 used a larger network of proxies than previous studies, including use low-resolution proxy data with as few as two data points per century, to produce a reconstruction showing centennial patterns of temperature variability in space and time for northern hemisphere land areas over the last 1,200 years. At this broad scale, they found widespread warmth from the 9th to 11th centuries approximating to the 20th century mean, with dominant cooling from the 16th to 18th centuries. The greatest warming occurred from the 19th to the 20th centuries, and they noted that instrumental records of recent decades were much warmer than the 20th century mean. Their spatial reconstruction showed similarities to the Mann et al. 2009 climate field reconstruction, though the different resolution meant these were not directly comparable. The results were robust, even when significant numbers of proxies were removed.[145]

Marcott et al. 2013 used seafloor and lake bed sediment proxies, which were completely independent of those used in earlier studies, to reconstruct global temperatures over the past 11,300 years, covering the entire Holocene, and showing over the last 1,000 years confirmation of the original MBH99 hockey stick graph.[146] Temperatures had slowly risen from the last ice age to reach a level which lasted from 10,000 to 5,000 years ago, then in line with Milankovitch cycles had begun a slow decline, interrupted by a small rise during the Medieval Warm Period, to the Little Ice Age. That decline had then been interrupted by a uniquely rapid rise in the 20th century to temperatures which were already the warmest for at least 4,000 years, within the range of uncertainties of the highest temperatures in the whole period, and on current estimates were likely to exceed those temperatures by 2100.[147]





But yeah, live in ignorance, jog.....
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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #202 - 09/10/19 at 09:31:22
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/10/19 at 09:23:20:
T And T Garage wrote on 09/10/19 at 08:30:19:
 The last ice age was nearly 3 million years ago.  

Just amazing how you bold faced LIE about things.

Perhaps your Lies will work with kids who are not taught,
and are used to eating Tide Pods,
and are confused as to which bathroom to use.

But here, when you say: 'The last ice age was nearly 3 million years ago',
EVERYONE knows, it is a total Lie.


What?  OK genius, when was the last Ice Age?
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Reply #203 - 09/10/19 at 10:21:14
 
T And T Garage wrote on 09/10/19 at 09:31:22:
when was the last Ice Age?

Just a bit of advice,
you have often given to others:
'Look it up yourself,
or are you to Lazy?'

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Reply #204 - 09/10/19 at 10:27:33
 
T And T Garage wrote on 09/10/19 at 09:31:22:
What?  OK genius, when was the last Ice Age?

Trump says it was Thursday,... if you don't agree, you're fired...



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Reply #205 - 09/10/19 at 10:33:47
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/10/19 at 10:21:14:
T And T Garage wrote on 09/10/19 at 09:31:22:
when was the last Ice Age?

Just a bit of advice,
you have often given to others:
'Look it up yourself,
or are you to Lazy?'




OK genius, here you go:

Scientists have recorded five significant ice ages throughout the Earth’s history: the Huronian (2.4-2.1 billion years ago), Cryogenian (850-635 million years ago), Andean-Saharan (460-430 mya), Karoo (360-260 mya) and Quaternary (2.6 mya-present). Approximately a dozen major glaciations have occurred over the past 1 million years, the largest of which peaked 650,000 years ago and lasted for 50,000 years. The most recent glaciation period, often known simply as the “Ice Age,” reached peak conditions some 18,000 years ago before giving way to the interglacial Holocene epoch 11,700 years ago.

Even though the peak was reached 18K years ago - it started 2.6 million years ago.  A glaciation period is NOT in and of itself an Ice Age.


Now, how about an apology for calling me a liar?.....
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Reply #206 - 09/10/19 at 10:42:35
 
Trump says he created the Earth 73 years ago,... if you don't believe him, you're fired...




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Reply #207 - 09/10/19 at 11:01:05
 
T And T Garage wrote on 09/10/19 at 10:33:47:
Now, how about an apology for calling me a liar?.....

Nope !

"...lasted until about 11,700 years ago..."


and we are STILL coming out of it !
(IE, getting warmer)

"...Earth is currently in the Quaternary glaciation, known in popular terminology as the Ice Age.[1] Individual pulses of cold climate are termed "glacial periods" (or, alternatively, "glacials", "glaciations", "glacial stages", "stadials", "stades", or colloquially, "ice ages"), and intermittent warm periods are called "interglacials" or "interstadials" with both climatic pulses part of the Quaternary or other periods in Earth's history.
In the terminology of glaciology, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in both northern and southern hemispheres.[3] By this definition, we are in an interglacial period ..."


I see you followed you OWN advice !
and when you find more,
please get someone to read them to you.

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Re: Yeah, It's A Hoax, Right?
Reply #208 - 09/10/19 at 12:51:50
 
Sooo, your Science supports the hockey stick, and REALITY says
BULLSHIT.
Yet, after all these years of the screeching about the
Sky is falling
And
Exactly
NONE
Of the dire predictions actually coming to pass
You Still Believe.

Terrifying,
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Reply #209 - 09/10/19 at 13:03:24
 
MnSpring wrote on 09/10/19 at 11:01:05:
T And T Garage wrote on 09/10/19 at 10:33:47:
Now, how about an apology for calling me a liar?.....

Nope !

"...lasted until about 11,700 years ago..."


and we are STILL coming out of it !
(IE, getting warmer)

"...Earth is currently in the Quaternary glaciation, known in popular terminology as the Ice Age.[1] Individual pulses of cold climate are termed "glacial periods" (or, alternatively, "glacials", "glaciations", "glacial stages", "stadials", "stades", or colloquially, "ice ages"), and intermittent warm periods are called "interglacials" or "interstadials" with both climatic pulses part of the Quaternary or other periods in Earth's history.
In the terminology of glaciology, ice age implies the presence of extensive ice sheets in both northern and southern hemispheres.[3] By this definition, we are in an interglacial period ..."


I see you followed you OWN advice !
and when you find more,
please get someone to read them to you.

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



You may want to check your house for a gas leak - you're sounding more deranged than usual...

I never expected an apology, but it's fun to see you squirm.
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