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Re: Yeah but who cares?
Reply #15 - 08/13/19 at 14:57:32
 
T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/19 at 14:04:47:
verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 13:12:44:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/19 at 12:39:22:
verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 12:17:16:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:12:42:
verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:03:58:
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Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans.

Here’s the breakdown:

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.


That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it.
6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely.
They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border.



Well, to be clear, that's only Texas.


To be clear...
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Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders

who's likely to downplay immigrant con's.

To be clear...
That's the only state with data, currently a republican state and it appears that's about to change.  
You can guess what will happen to the data.



Well vers, I'm only posting a fact.

You can find foil hats anywhere....


A distorted fact.
So you can take your foil hat off any time you want.



When are you going to stop beating your wife?

See how that works, vers?

You, for some reason, take one self-described radical and plaster their belief across the entire democratic field.

It's simply not the way it is.

Are all republicans white nationalists?  Nope.

I showed the data, plain and simple with zero commentary.

You take offense and go off on a partisan tangent.

Well vers - you do you, m'kay?


You brought him into the picture and take his distorted view as your own.
You call it "data", it's 1 eyed data, but as long as it's your own that's fine with you.
I didn't look at who it was until the facts didn't line up with his analysis.
when you take his lies as your truth, it makes you a liar or an imbecile.
BTW, has she rescinded the restraining order?
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Reply #16 - 08/13/19 at 15:00:21
 
verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 14:57:32:
You brought him into the picture and take his distorted view as your own.
You call it "data", it's 1 eyed data, but as long as it's your own that's fine with you.
I didn't look at who it was until the facts didn't line up with his analysis.
when you take his lies as your truth, it makes you a liar or an imbecile.
BTW, has she rescinded the restraining order?



Well, then let's truly beat this dead horse, shall we?

The fact is, vers - there simply isn't enough data either way to know whether or not illegals commit more crimes per capita than citizens.

So... this whole thread is moot.

Thanks for playing.
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Reply #17 - 08/13/19 at 15:07:54
 
ok, imbecile it is.
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Reply #18 - 08/13/19 at 15:12:57
 
reply #15...
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Reply #19 - 08/13/19 at 15:18:36
 
verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 15:07:54:
ok, imbecile it is.



What do you mean?

You're actually calling me an imbecile?

LOL - that's rich.

Thanks for taking the low road vers.

I should have expected as much.
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Reply #20 - 08/13/19 at 15:19:27
 
I don't care if illegals or long time residents are more or less violent,... Those people that were taken away were hard working folks, doing jobs not many people would do.... ... and that little girl deserves her daddy back.
This was pure theater for the MAGA people.
Most of those people will be returned home, and get green cards.
We need hard workers.  
We don't have job shortages, we have worker shortages.
If Trump sends them away, he's an idiot.

Well,.. I'm not actually holding my breath for him get any smarter. Huh
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Reply #21 - 08/13/19 at 16:25:21
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/13/19 at 15:19:27:
"...This was pure theater for the MAGA people..."

Like AOC crying crocodile tears, over a parking lot ?
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Reply #22 - 08/13/19 at 16:27:32
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/13/19 at 16:25:21:
Serowbot wrote on 08/13/19 at 15:19:27:
"...This was pure theater for the MAGA people..."

Like AOC crying crocodile tears, over a parking lot ?

with a splash of racist hate...
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Reply #23 - 08/13/19 at 16:36:30
 
Eegore wrote on 08/13/19 at 13:00:22:
"... restricting personal vehicle use is not easier..."  

I believe it is, a whole lot easier, than going door to door and say, 'Gimme all your Guns"

Even, Bernie Sanders says: “99.9 percent of gun owners” would never commit gun violence,"
Yet he want's them all to make “concessions”.

Saving lives, was never the goal. Confiscating firearms is.


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Reply #24 - 08/13/19 at 18:26:15
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/13/19 at 16:36:30:
Eegore wrote on 08/13/19 at 13:00:22:
"... restricting personal vehicle use is not easier..."  

I believe it is, a whole lot easier, than going door to door and say, 'Gimme all your Guns"

Even, Bernie Sanders says: “99.9 percent of gun owners” would never commit gun violence,"
Yet he want's them all to make “concessions”.

Hey, that's the price of freedom.... see how that works?

Saving lives, was never the goal. Confiscating firearms is.



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Reply #25 - 08/15/19 at 16:25:49
 
"I believe it is, a whole lot easier, than going door to door and say, 'Gimme all your Guns""

 I agree if indeed anyone ever said they would go door to door.  That's a logistical disaster that would take decades to complete.

 My point is far, far more people use vehicles than firearms.  Even more use cell phones.  More businesses rely on vehicle transportation than firearm use.

 Its easier to restrict the usage of an item that is in use by fewer people in fewer intervals.  Many people use a cellphone and a vehicle daily.  Nowhere near as many shoot a gun daily.

 If an employer has 100 employees and 99 of them use a hammer every day, and some idiot kills another person with a hammer causing the employer to implement hammer-use restriction they will have to apply this process to 99% of their employee base.

 If an employer has 100 employees and 50 of them use a screwdriver every day, and some idiot kills another person with a screwdriver causing the employer to implement screwdriver-use restriction they will have to apply this process to 50% of their employee base.

 If an employer has 100 employees and 75% of them use a wrench once a week, or once a year on hunting trips, and some idiot kills another person with a wrench causing an employer to implement wrench-use restrictions they have to apply this to 75% of their employee base at only a portion of the working year.

 So any employer building a program to develop, implement and enforce a tool-use restriction would have an easier time applying this to the smallest employee base percentage.
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Reply #26 - 08/15/19 at 17:13:17
 
No need to go door to door,... you make ownership a felony and most people won't risk the crime.
You get caught with one, and you lose all your guns as a convicted felon.
There will always still be a hidden few,... but they are effectively useless to any law abiding person, and will soon become unobtainable to criminals due to rarity.
If any criminal was caught using one, and it traced back to you,... you would be a felon.
Not worth the risk.
In a relatively short period of time,.. they are no longer statistically in circulation.
And,... mass shooters are limited to 10 shot magazines.  
(Knowing you will have to pause less than 10 seconds into a crowd shooting might make some shooters rethink their invulnerability.)
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Reply #27 - 08/16/19 at 00:25:57
 
Lefties drooling over taking guns.
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Reply #28 - 08/16/19 at 02:39:17
 
The problem is not the guns.
The problem is the ego.
Ego is identification with thoughts.
Thought like; i am an american or; he is a foreigner he is right or he is left.
These identities argue with each other. or shoot each other down. or destroy each other on a large scale.

It happens everywhere, and it is of al time,s. The ego unable to love.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MVRHTBOGTQ




The solution comes from the heart.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVO8gjn3dFg
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Reply #29 - 08/16/19 at 12:43:35
 
T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/19 at 18:26:15:
see how that works?

I know exactaly how it works.

Saving lives, was, and never will be the goal.
Confiscating firearms is, and always will be, the goal.


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