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Reply #1 - 08/13/19 at 08:03:02

That is OK,
in fact encouraged by the UL, FDS, Socialists.

The GOAL, of the UL, FDS, Socialists,
(and the likes of CU/BS/AOC), is NOT,
to 'protect' Citizens.

The GOAL, is to, Ban guns.
Which includes all the crocodile tears the UL, FDS, DSA people are crying over 'SOME' shootings,
and screaming for, 'Common Sense' gun controls,
which non of them have any idea of what they could be,
but will all be happy with a Ban.

The final GOAL in perhaps 100 years +/-,
is to make this Country, totally Socialist.

Put a frog in a pan of 'cold' water.

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Reply #3 - 08/13/19 at 08:57:08

Both illegal and legal immigrants have a lower violent crime rate than the national average.

That's one of those repeated "facts" that I'm not sure of. And by including legal immigrants which includes high level doctors and engineers, it purposely clouds the issue.

The topic is illegal immigrants. Those who break into the country. What's the real crime data?

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Reply #4 - 08/13/19 at 09:36:23

The DSA’s and like, are talking about Common Sense, Laws.
Here are just two, with the goal of saving a great deal of lives.

Car accidents:
Good progress has been made concerning hands free driving, and radar detection of other cars to avoid accidents.
Yet there can be more done, right now.
1. A device in all Motor Vehicles, that is built in on new cars, and will just plug into a cigarette lighter/accessory port on older cars.
which emits a signal which will not allow any cell phone to operate, while the motor is running.
In the case of a total elect vehicle, whenever a wheel is moving.
In the case of a classic, which has no port, such a device needs to be hard wired in.

2. All Motor Vehicles, will have a device attached, which to start/move/drive the M.V. The drivers seat belt needs to be extended, and attached, and the driver must blow into that device to determine, not intoxicated, to start the M.V..
The car will automatically stop, when the Seat belt is taken off, or retracted.
On any M.V. which does not have a seat belt, one will be installed so the device can be functionally attached.

3. In the event a M.V. is considered a classic, a certificate, accompanied by a photo, to exempt that classic from rule 1 & 2, will be supplied.
To obtain that exemption, the owner will make a appointment at a M.V. inspection station, and pay the required fee.
That exception certificate, shall only be issued to M.V.’s which are over 30 years old at the date of applying.
That exception certificate, must be in that M.V. at all times.
That exception certificate must be renewed annually.
That exception certificate requires that M.V. may not be be driven over 15 MPH.
That exception certificate also requires a certificate from a, Counsel/Town/County/State, signifying where and when, (dates and time), that M.V. can be driven.
Examples are a Parade, Car Show, Museum. Any out of the M.V. registered home state. Requires a State certificate, as well as one from the Counsel/Town/County in that State.
To Transport to and from such a event, a covered and locked trailer is necessary.
NOTE: None of these laws will infringe in any way, on the freedom of, a persons ability to use, own, drive, a M.V.

Many more, ‘Common Sense’, Laws. Regarding many other aspects will soon follow.
Including, but not limited to: Public display of personal items, such a flag, or bumper sticker. / Public display of protest of a position. / Public display of a position on any internet/social media platform. / A National database of: Native-Born/Naturalized Citizens/ Illegals, Murder rate. /

Guns:
1. Enforce the laws already on the books.
2. Punish a Federal AG, for circumventing those laws.

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Reply #5 - 08/13/19 at 09:49:10

Here's some data:

Fact Check: Trump's claims on undocumented immigrant crime rates. Here's what the numbers show.

President Donald Trump, speaking in New Orleans on Monday, listed tens of thousands of crimes he said were committed by undocumented immigrants, part of a pattern of statements he’s made linking immigrants to crime in his effort to gain support for his proposed border wall.

Here’s the problem:

There is no national database that compares crimes committed by immigration status. In fact, only one state – Texas – does so. That means there’s no national database that breaks down crimes committed by native-born citizens or immigrants, or those in the country illegally, making it difficult to confirm or dispute the president’s numbers.

What available studies do show, however, is that overall, crime rates are lower among immigrant groups than they are among native-born Americans.

Walter Ewing, an editor and writer for the American Immigration Council, a group that advocates for immigrants, puts it this way: “You can find any demographic group that you like and it’s going to include murderers. You can look at redheads and blondes and it’s going to include murders. But that’s not the point, the point is what the crime rates are,” he said.

Comparing overall crime rates for different groups is the best way to determine if a particular group poses a significantly greater threat than others.

“And if the likelihood is low, particularly compared to natives, then it’s disingenuous to claim they’re going to be a threat,” Ewing added.

Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans.

Here’s the breakdown:

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fact-check-trumps-claims-illegal-immigrant-cri...

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Reply #6 - 08/13/19 at 09:58:41

"The GOAL, is to, Ban guns."

Specific guns, not all guns. Because a few people said "all" doesn't mean that is the collective goal.

Besides guns don't keep you from being killed by the Government anyway. They are good for personal protection from people with equal or lesser weaponry.

"The car will automatically stop, when the Seat belt is taken off, or retracted."

It will need a time-delay function with a warning. A vehicle stopping in the middle of a busy highway is dangerous also.

The rest sound good. None of that will change anyone's opinion on guns with a high murder rate per minute ratio because comparing cars to guns is an amateur-hour comparison that nobody takes seriously.

The principle is sound but the methodology is old and ineffective.

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Reply #7 - 08/13/19 at 10:03:58

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Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans.

Here’s the breakdown:

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.

That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it.
6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely.
They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border.

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Reply #8 - 08/13/19 at 10:12:42

verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:03:58:

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Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans.

Here’s the breakdown:

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.

That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it.
6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely.
They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border.

Well, to be clear, that's only Texas.

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Re: Yeah but who cares?
Reply #9 - 08/13/19 at 10:48:07

Eegore wrote on 08/13/19 at 09:58:41:

“…Specific guns, not all guns…”

Today.
Tomorrow more, and the next day, all.

“…None of that will change anyone’s opinion on guns with a high murder rate per minute ratio…”
Very easy to use a gun that is 100 + years old, and exceed the, 'murder rate' of a modern 'Scary' type gun.
If the goal is high murder rate.
So if the criteria becomes, ’…high murder rate…’, that’s a whole bunch more Guns.

“…comparing cars to guns is an amateur-hour…”
If the goal is to save lives, would not someone start with the easiest thing?
Ah, but the goal is, NOT, to save lives.

“…The rest sound good…”
Is very telling.

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Re: Yeah but who cares?
Reply #10 - 08/13/19 at 12:17:16

T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:12:42:

verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:03:58:

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Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans.

Here’s the breakdown:

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.

That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it.
6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely.
They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border.

Well, to be clear, that's only Texas.

To be clear...
Quote:

Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders

who's likely to downplay immigrant con's.

To be clear...
That's the only state with data, currently a republican state and it appears that's about to change.
You can guess what will happen to the data.

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Reply #11 - 08/13/19 at 12:39:22

verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 12:17:16:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:12:42:

verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:03:58:

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Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans.

Here’s the breakdown:

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.

That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it.
6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely.
They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border.

Well, to be clear, that's only Texas.

To be clear...
Quote:

Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders

who's likely to downplay immigrant con's.

To be clear...
That's the only state with data, currently a republican state and it appears that's about to change.
You can guess what will happen to the data.

Well vers, I'm only posting a fact.

You can find foil hats anywhere....

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Reply #12 - 08/13/19 at 13:00:22

"Very easy to use a gun that is 100 + years old, and exceed the, 'murder rate' of a modern 'Scary' type gun.
If the goal is high murder rate.
So if the criteria becomes, ’…high murder rate…’, that’s a whole bunch more Guns."

Nothing about age of gun has been proposed. Availability of a high murder rate per minute weapon is the primary concern. If guns that are 100 years old are easy to acquire legally and are used in mass murders then they qualify for the "concern" of weapons used in mass-murder with a high murder rate per minute.

"If the goal is to save lives, would not someone start with the easiest thing?
Ah, but the goal is, NOT, to save lives."

Yes but restricting personal vehicle use is not easier. Go put your proposals forth and see how many people jump on board.

What you are proposing is harder, not easier.

"Is very telling."

Is it "telling" that I believe that those proposals would save lives? I think they would.

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Re: Yeah but who cares?
Reply #13 - 08/13/19 at 13:12:44

T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/19 at 12:39:22:

verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 12:17:16:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:12:42:

verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:03:58:

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Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans.

Here’s the breakdown:

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.

That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it.
6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely.
They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border.

Well, to be clear, that's only Texas.

To be clear...
Quote:

Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders

who's likely to downplay immigrant con's.

To be clear...
That's the only state with data, currently a republican state and it appears that's about to change.
You can guess what will happen to the data.

Well vers, I'm only posting a fact.

You can find foil hats anywhere....

A distorted fact.
So you can take your foil hat off any time you want.

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Reply #14 - 08/13/19 at 14:04:47

verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 13:12:44:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/19 at 12:39:22:

verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 12:17:16:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:12:42:

verslagen1 wrote on 08/13/19 at 10:03:58:

Quote:

Alex Nowrasteh, a senior immigration policy analyst with the libertarian Cato Institute, points to Texas as an example, since it’s the state with the best data on crimes committed and counted by immigration status and was the subject of a recent report he wrote showing that criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were "well below" those of native-born Americans.

Here’s the breakdown:

Undocumented immigrants make up just over 6 percent of the state's population, legal immigrants made up over 10 percent, and native-born Americans make up over 80 percent, according to the most recent American Community Survey data and the Center for Migration Studies.

Meanwhile, undocumented immigrants were convicted of 5.9 percent of all the homicides in Texas, legal immigrants were convicted of 3.8 percent of homicides, and native-born Americans were convicted of about 90 percent of all the homicides in Texas, according an analysis of 2015 Texas state data by Nowrasteh.

That analysis just doesn't equate the "well below" status does it.
6% of the population vs 6% of the homicides means they are just as likely.
They may be harder to arrest or convict because they've ran back over the border.

Well, to be clear, that's only Texas.

To be clear...
Quote:

Nowrasteh is a self-described "radical" advocate for open borders

who's likely to downplay immigrant con's.

To be clear...
That's the only state with data, currently a republican state and it appears that's about to change.
You can guess what will happen to the data.

Well vers, I'm only posting a fact.

You can find foil hats anywhere....

A distorted fact.
So you can take your foil hat off any time you want.

When are you going to stop beating your wife?

See how that works, vers?

You, for some reason, take one self-described radical and plaster their belief across the entire democratic field.

It's simply not the way it is.

Are all republicans white nationalists? Nope.

I showed the data, plain and simple with zero commentary.

You take offense and go off on a partisan tangent.

Well vers - you do you, m'kay?

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