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Posted on August 8, 2019
Someone who might actually have a little experience with Constitutional Law just dashed your dreams against the rocks of reality.

It might behoove everyone to read this and let this sink in,

Judge Andrew Napolitano: Second Amendment bars many gun restrictions being proposed after mass shootings
By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano |

Last weekend’s mass murders in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, have produced a flood of words about everything from gun control to mental illness to white nationalism. Most of those words have addressed the right to keep and bear arms as if it were a gift from the government. It isn’t.

The Supreme Court has twice ruled in the past 11 years that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual pre-political liberty. That is the highest category of liberty recognized in the law. It is akin to the freedoms of thought, speech and personality.



That means that the court has recognized that the framers of the Constitution did not bestow this right upon us. Rather, they recognized its preexistence as an extension of our natural human right to self-defense and they forbade government – state and federal – from infringing upon it.

It would be exquisitely unfair, profoundly unconstitutional and historically un-American for the rights of law-abiding folks – “surrender that rifle you own legally and use safely because some other folks have used that same type of weapon criminally” – to be impaired in the name of public safety.

It would also be irrational. A person willing to kill innocents and be killed by the police while doing so surely would have no qualms about violating a state or federal law that prohibited the general ownership of the weapon he was about to use.

With all of this as background, and the country anguishing over the mass deaths of innocents, the feds and the states face a choice between a knee-jerk but popular restriction of some form of gun ownership and the rational and sound realization that more guns in the hands of those properly trained means less crime and more safety.

Can the government constitutionally outlaw the types of rifles used by the El Paso and Dayton killers? In a word: No.

We know this because in the first Supreme Court opinion upholding the individual right to keep and bear arms, the court addressed what kind of arms the Second Amendment protects. The court ruled that the Second Amendment protects individual ownership of weapons one can carry that are of the same degree of sophistication as the bad guys have – or the government has.

The government? Yes, the government. That’s so because the Second Amendment was not written to protect the right to shoot deer. It was written to protect the right to shoot at tyrants and their agents when they have stolen liberty or property from the people.

If you don’t believe me on this, then read the Declaration of Independence. It justifies violence against the British government because of such thefts.

Governments are the greatest mass killers on the planet. Who can take without alarm any of their threats to emasculate our right to defend our personal liberties?

In theory, all of this was known by President Trump when he addressed the nation and attributed the weekend slaughters to mental illness, the freedom to express hateful ideas on the Internet and violent video games. He should have consulted his lawyers before he spoke.

Federal law prohibits records of mental health problems, unless they result in involuntary institutionalization, from entering the government’s databases that are consulted in background checks. And the Supreme Court has already ruled that the government cannot censor, ban or punish opinions expressed on the Internet or games played there.

Snipped for brevity.



We know that some among us love to hate. That is their right, but they have no right to act violently beyond their perverse thoughts. And all people have the right to defend against such violence by using guns to do so.

The president also offered his support for “red flag” laws. These horrific statutes permit police or courts to seize guns from those deemed dangerous.

Red flag laws are unconstitutional.The presumption of innocence and the due process requirement of demonstrable fault as a precondition to any punishment or sanction together prohibit the loss of liberty on the basis of what might happen in the future.

In America, we do not punish a person or deprive anyone of liberty on the basis of a fear of what the person might do. When the Soviets used psychiatric testimony to predict criminal behavior, President Ronald Reagan condemned it. Now, the president wants it here.

Snipped again for brevity.

The government can no more interfere with Second Amendment rights than it can infringe upon any other rights. If this were not so, then no liberty – speech, press, religion, association, self-defense, privacy, travel, property ownership – would be safe from the reach of a fearful majority.

That’s why we have a Constitution.

All italics and bolded items are my emphasis.

You can read the entire opinion article at Fox News here..

So there you have it.

Now STFU with your gun grabbing fantasies.

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justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/08/19 at 19:57:56:
And, Lo and BEHOLD
it looks like I wrote some of it

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Posted on August 8, 2019
Someone who might actually have a little experience with Constitutional Law just dashed your dreams against the rocks of reality.

It might behoove everyone to read this and let this sink in,

Judge Andrew Napolitano: Second Amendment bars many gun restrictions being proposed after mass shootings
By Judge Andrew P. Napolitano |

Last weekend’s mass murders in El Paso, Texas, and Dayton, Ohio, have produced a flood of words about everything from gun control to mental illness to white nationalism. Most of those words have addressed the right to keep and bear arms as if it were a gift from the government. It isn’t.

The Supreme Court has twice ruled in the past 11 years that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual pre-political liberty. That is the highest category of liberty recognized in the law. It is akin to the freedoms of thought, speech and personality.



That means that the court has recognized that the framers of the Constitution did not bestow this right upon us. Rather, they recognized its preexistence as an extension of our natural human right to self-defense and they forbade government – state and federal – from infringing upon it.

It would be exquisitely unfair, profoundly unconstitutional and historically un-American for the rights of law-abiding folks – “surrender that rifle you own legally and use safely because some other folks have used that same type of weapon criminally” – to be impaired in the name of public safety.

It would also be irrational. A person willing to kill innocents and be killed by the police while doing so surely would have no qualms about violating a state or federal law that prohibited the general ownership of the weapon he was about to use.

With all of this as background, and the country anguishing over the mass deaths of innocents, the feds and the states face a choice between a knee-jerk but popular restriction of some form of gun ownership and the rational and sound realization that more guns in the hands of those properly trained means less crime and more safety.

Can the government constitutionally outlaw the types of rifles used by the El Paso and Dayton killers? In a word: No.

We know this because in the first Supreme Court opinion upholding the individual right to keep and bear arms, the court addressed what kind of arms the Second Amendment protects. The court ruled that the Second Amendment protects individual ownership of weapons one can carry that are of the same degree of sophistication as the bad guys have – or the government has.

The government? Yes, the government. That’s so because the Second Amendment was not written to protect the right to shoot deer. It was written to protect the right to shoot at tyrants and their agents when they have stolen liberty or property from the people.

If you don’t believe me on this, then read the Declaration of Independence. It justifies violence against the British government because of such thefts.

Governments are the greatest mass killers on the planet. Who can take without alarm any of their threats to emasculate our right to defend our personal liberties?

In theory, all of this was known by President Trump when he addressed the nation and attributed the weekend slaughters to mental illness, the freedom to express hateful ideas on the Internet and violent video games. He should have consulted his lawyers before he spoke.

Federal law prohibits records of mental health problems, unless they result in involuntary institutionalization, from entering the government’s databases that are consulted in background checks. And the Supreme Court has already ruled that the government cannot censor, ban or punish opinions expressed on the Internet or games played there.

Snipped for brevity.

Then the president condemned hate. Do you believe his condemnations? He has, after all, praised the white supremacists at Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 as "good people," even though one of them pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of a young woman, and even though, as a candidate and later as president, he argued that the southwest United States was being "invaded" and "infested" by Hispanics.

That white supremacy ideology – "let's repel the Hispanic invaders because the feds won't do so" – resonates in the manifesto of the man accused of being the El Paso killer, which he published about 20 minutes before the shootings. That ideology is far more widespread than most Americans realize. The FBI recently demonstrated as much. This form of hatred of people because of their immutable characteristics breeds violence.



We know that some among us love to hate. That is their right, but they have no right to act violently beyond their perverse thoughts. And all people have the right to defend against such violence by using guns to do so.

The president also offered his support for “red flag” laws. These horrific statutes permit police or courts to seize guns from those deemed dangerous.

Red flag laws are unconstitutional.The presumption of innocence and the due process requirement of demonstrable fault as a precondition to any punishment or sanction together prohibit the loss of liberty on the basis of what might happen in the future.

In America, we do not punish a person or deprive anyone of liberty on the basis of a fear of what the person might do. When the Soviets used psychiatric testimony to predict criminal behavior, President Ronald Reagan condemned it. Now, the president wants it here.

Snipped again for brevity.

The United States is not New Zealand, where a national legislature, animated by fear and provoked by tragedy, can impair fundamental liberties by majority vote. In America, neither Congress nor the states can outlaw whatever handguns or rifles they want to outlaw or infringe upon the right to own them.

The government can no more interfere with Second Amendment rights than it can infringe upon any other rights. If this were not so, then no liberty – speech, press, religion, association, self-defense, privacy, travel, property ownership – would be safe from the reach of a fearful majority.

That’s why we have a Constitution.

All italics and bolded items are my emphasis.

You can read the entire opinion article at Fox News here..

So there you have it.

Now STFU with your gun grabbing fantasies.




I added context.  Turns out Napolitano's no fan of trump's.

Interesting opinion piece, but that's about it.  There are already restrictions on arms in this country.  It's not unconstitutional.

Suffice it to say - something's gotta change - what we have now is not working.
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Reply #2 - 08/08/19 at 22:01:55
 
I only read your BULLSHIT until I find a lie.

Boom
Didn't have to go far.

has, after all, praised the white supremacists at Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 as "good people," even though one of them pleaded guilty

You intentionally misconstrue.
You're a liar
Who could probably pass a polygraph.
You probably actually believe what you said
But it's not true.
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Then the president condemned hate. Do you believe his condemnations? He has, after all, praised the white supremacists at Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 as "good people," even though one of them pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of a young woman,

Shocking I know, but yet another lie told from our Chicago friend. As has been said, if you repeat a lie enough, weak minded fools will believe and repeat.

I know this is a waste of time, but why don't you show us or provide the video showing the single sentence where Trump said "White supremacist are good people".

I triple dog dare you.
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justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/08/19 at 22:01:55:
I only read your BULLSHIT until I find a lie.

Boom
Didn't have to go far.

has, after all, praised the white supremacists at Charlottesville, Virginia, in
2017 as "good people," even though one of them pleaded guilty

Well, genius, that quote was from Napolitano's complete op-ed.

If you're going to cut & paste, you may want to read the entire thing....

You intentionally misconstrue.
You're a liar
Who could probably pass a polygraph.
You probably actually believe what you said
But it's not true.



Oh, gee, jog - that hurts.

I mean, you're the same guy that bought into Sandy Hook being a false flag - and remember your views on 9/11?

So, golly - your opinion means so much.....<<<<sarcasm

LOL
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WebsterMark wrote on 08/09/19 at 04:35:14:
Then the president condemned hate. Do you believe his condemnations? He has, after all, praised the white supremacists at Charlottesville, Virginia, in 2017 as "good people," even though one of them pleaded guilty to the first-degree murder of a young woman,

Shocking I know, but yet another lie told from our Chicago friend. As has been said, if you repeat a lie enough, weak minded fools will believe and repeat.

Hey, mark - FYI, that quote is from Napolitano.  Didn't you actually read his entire article?

Wow - ignorance.


I know this is a waste of time, but why don't you show us or provide the video showing the single sentence where Trump said "White supremacist are good people".

I triple dog dare you.

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"The court ruled that the Second Amendment protects individual ownership of weapons one can carry that are of the same degree of sophistication as the bad guys have – or the government has."

 This is fundamentally untrue as the US Government has a ton of armament US citizens may not legally own.
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I know this is a waste of time, but why don't you show us or provide the video showing the single sentence where Trump said "White supremacist are good people".

I triple dog dare you.


Guess my triple dog dare is gonna go unchallenged....
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WebsterMark wrote on 08/09/19 at 07:32:30:
I know this is a waste of time, but why don't you show us or provide the video showing the single sentence where Trump said "White supremacist are good people".

I triple dog dare you.


Guess my triple dog dare is gonna go unchallenged....



Hey, mark - you're daring the wrong guy.

You see, what I posted is from Napolitano's complete op-ed.

Here ya go, sport:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-a-few-words-about-guns...


Stop being willfully ignorant.
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Reply #9 - 08/09/19 at 08:03:18
 
T And T Garage wrote on 08/09/19 at 07:44:32:
You see, what I posted is from Napolitano's

Aw-sum Deflection, What's that 'H' word again.

The question was, NOT, what someone else, 'said', they said.

Well, if someone believes every word C.U. and R.M. says,
they probably have been Lied to so many times,
they believe the lies.

See how the UL Propaganda works !






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MnSpring wrote on 08/09/19 at 08:03:18:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/09/19 at 07:44:32:
You see, what I posted is from Napolitano's

Aw-sum Deflection, What's that 'H' word again.

Tell me mn.... how is posting an op ed from someone hypocritical?

I'd love to hear an explanation...!


The question was, NOT, what someone else, 'said', they said.

Well, if someone believes every word C.U. and R.M. says,
they probably have been Lied to so many times,
they believe the lies.

See how the UL Propaganda works !

Well mn - this was posted on your beloved fox.... so.... now they post "UL propaganda?

LOL - you're funny!







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T And T Garage wrote on 08/09/19 at 07:44:32:
WebsterMark wrote on 08/09/19 at 07:32:30:
I know this is a waste of time, but why don't you show us or provide the video showing the single sentence where Trump said "White supremacist are good people".

I triple dog dare you.


Guess my triple dog dare is gonna go unchallenged....



Hey, mark - you're daring the wrong guy.

You see, what I posted is from Napolitano's complete op-ed.

Here ya go, sport:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-a-few-words-about-guns...


Stop being willfully ignorant.


You've said the same thing. Stop being willfully ignorant.
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Reply #12 - 08/09/19 at 08:47:45
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/09/19 at 08:44:41:
T And T Garage wrote on 08/09/19 at 07:44:32:
WebsterMark wrote on 08/09/19 at 07:32:30:
I know this is a waste of time, but why don't you show us or provide the video showing the single sentence where Trump said "White supremacist are good people".

I triple dog dare you.


Guess my triple dog dare is gonna go unchallenged....



Hey, mark - you're daring the wrong guy.

You see, what I posted is from Napolitano's complete op-ed.

Here ya go, sport:

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/judge-andrew-napolitano-a-few-words-about-guns...


Stop being willfully ignorant.


You've said the same thing. Stop being willfully ignorant.



No, I didn't - now you're lying.

I've said that he was quoted as saying "there are fine people on both sides".

I have interpreted that he means there are good white supremacists.


Now, take your dare and aim it at Napolitano and admit that you were wrong in blaming me for the quote.

Or do you have zero honor?
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A nutjob in Springfiled, MO was walking towards a Walmart in bidy armour and carrying gun with hundred rounds or more. Dozens more lined up for the slaughter! Nope! An off duty fireman with a concealed carry permit held him at gunpoint until police arrive.

Now, stories first reported in the news are almost always wrong but let's follow this to see if a gun carrying law abiding citizen saved lives.
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Reply #14 - 08/09/19 at 08:54:01
 
No, I didn't - now you're lying.

I've said that he was quoted as saying "there are fine people on both sides".

I have interpreted that he means there are good white supremacists.


If that's your interpretation, you are as usual uninformed due to you one sided news sources.

Are you sure if I went back and did a search, I wouldn't find quotes from you repeating the "fine people" lie??? The fact you said you think he said there are good white supremacist leads me to believe I would.

However, on the off chance you did not fall for that lie like you have on so many others, I will happily apologize and tear my clothes and repent in dust and ashes.
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