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Reply #30 - 08/10/19 at 07:40:20
 
Let's say you were planning on going to the Charlottesville protest innocently, without knowing it was a Nazi,white supremacist rally, intended to cause trouble and violence.
You just like statues of white guys on horses.
You're one of the "nice people on both sides" that Trump will later speak of.

The event was organized by Jason Kessler, a former journalist and a member of the Proud Boys, an ultra-nationalist group.
- but you don't know who he is,.. so you're still innocent.

News agencies are rushing to Charlottesville to cover the event and anticipating riots and violence.  They are reporting anticipated violent clashes.
Police are beefing up security in anticipation.
- You might start getting a clue here.
- but you think,.. "No, these are good people, maybe it's the "other" guys that might start a little trouble.

The day before the event,... marchers descended on the University of Virginia carrying torches and yelling slogans "white lives matter", "Jews will not replace us",  and "blood and soil",
-if you are still planning to attend the event,... you are clearly attending an event led by a white supremacist, that is planning a confrontation.

You now know this is an event planned by a white supremacist,.. intended to be confrontational. The press are everywhere, police everywhere. The evening before, you saw a torch bearing mob, chanting racist slogans.
- Can you still be a "fine person"... and still attend this Nazi led event?...

Could you innocently walk into a nudist camp and not notice everyone around you is naked?...
How long does it take to get a clue?.
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Reply #31 - 08/10/19 at 08:40:57
 
Let's say you're planning on going to DC to protest Trump's 2nd term. Antifa and other groups who historically have instigated violence against anyone in their path have announced their intention to protest.

Can you still be a fine person and attend this event?
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Reply #32 - 08/10/19 at 09:21:35
 
You're equating the protesters of violent racist groups  to violent racist groups.
Antifa is fighting back... They are not the problem


- 2017, out of 65 terrorist incidents , 37 were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations.

- Two-thirds of the terror attacks in the United States last year were carried out by right-wing extremists.

- Every racist act of terror in the US this year was done by a White supremacist connected person



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Reply #33 - 08/10/19 at 09:38:59
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/10/19 at 09:21:35:
Antifa is fighting back... They are not the problem  

WOW, you giving a group of people,
a PASS !!!!!!!


A scenario:
A group of people, are protesting something,
someone, 'identifies' them as Antifa,
Some turn over cars, set fires, break windows, loot, block traffic, beat people up, etc, etc, etc.

Someone else says:
"Some good people on both sides"

Does that mean, EVERYONE, on that side is a POS.
And Anyone saying, "...some..." is a POS ?

Or could it be, their were some their, who have been meeting in a group, for 70 years, (and never thrown one rock) that call themselves, Antifa ?







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Reply #34 - 08/10/19 at 09:53:09
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/10/19 at 09:21:35:
- Every racist act of terror in the US this year was done by a White supremacist connected person  

OK, so this act:

Connor Betts, the 24-year-old Dayton shooter, endorsed communism
Who said/tweeted:
“Make Racists Afraid Again” and “Kill All Fascists.”
"a photo that suggested slashing the tires of Border Patrol agents."
“I want socialism, and I’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come around to understanding.”
“3 Guilt Free Ways to Kill Fascists,”


Was not a 'racist act of terror in the US ' ?
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Reply #35 - 08/10/19 at 10:24:32
 
If these are things he actually said,... he seems to have chosen his location and victims in opposition to his beliefs.
This was an area he frequented,... people in his peer group,.. his own sister.
He didn't target a Trump rally.
His killings do not appear to be ideologically motivated.

The El Paso shooter drove 800 miles to get a bigger Hispanic body count.
The synagogue shooter targeted Jews
The crazy Trump supporter, pipe bomber targeted Democrats and minorities.
Black churches, gay bars...
All targets chosen based on ideology of race and hate.

In Dayton this does not appear to be the case.
More a lone nut that couldn't get a girlfriend.
His political ideology was not a factor.
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Reply #36 - 08/10/19 at 10:25:15
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/09/19 at 08:48:21:
A nutjob in Springfiled, MO was walking towards a Walmart in bidy armour and carrying gun with hundred rounds or more. Dozens more lined up for the slaughter! Nope! An off duty fireman with a concealed carry permit held him at gunpoint until police arrive....

Golly Gee, CNN and the like,  NO 24/7 stories,
Sure they reported once about 55-year-old Philip Michael Attey II.
But they left a bunch out about the interview with detectives.
"Attey said he is an anti-gun activist and that he believes his statements made to the Walmart clerk in front of a customer "only helps his cause which is for Walmart to stop selling firearms,"

Why did they leave that out ?
Is it because it does not drive the FEAR the UL's want ?

Here is from the page of:
https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-detained-walking-missouri-walmart-armed-rifle-w...

(If you want to read it, hurry before it is taken down)

"That man was identified as 55-year-old Philip Michael Attey II and during a subsequent interview with detectives, Attey said he is an anti-gun activist and that he believes his statements made to the Walmart clerk in front of a customer "only helps his cause which is for Walmart to stop selling firearms," police said. "

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Reply #37 - 08/10/19 at 10:34:02
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/09/19 at 08:48:21:
A nutjob in Springfiled, MO was walking towards a Walmart in bidy armour and carrying gun with hundred rounds or more. Dozens more lined up for the slaughter! Nope! An off duty fireman with a concealed carry permit held him at gunpoint until police arrive....


Yes, the good guy with a gun subdued a "shooter" that wasn't shooting.

I could have done that with a feather duster... Grin

PS... I'm not trying minimize this nut's actions,... it was terror,... and should be prosecuted as such.
... just saying  he wasn't being a physical threat at that time, and it doesn't take a great deal of courage to draw on a guy that ain't shooting at you.
That said,.. the fireman did the right thing.
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Reply #38 - 08/10/19 at 11:08:27
 
Antifa is fighting back... They are not the problem

Oh come man! Be serious. Just fighting back??? Did you see Trump's inauguration? Your rose colored glasses are fogged up!

Imagine you're a history professor or just an amateur historian who feels it was setting a bad precedent to tear down 100+ year old statues and you wanted to express your point of view.

You basically said if you were someone who had an issue with tearing down these statues. your right to protest is secondary to another group's right because a third group took the position that they're going to lump you in with that 2nd group which you had nothing to do with.

That's a ridiculous position.
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Reply #39 - 08/10/19 at 11:23:56
 
Do you really think a history professor would stay around in a group of people spewing racist rhetoric?...
Any sane person would leave, and say I don't associate with these type of people.  
This is not the protest I thought it was.
These people are sick.
By staying, you are lending legitimacy to them.
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Reply #40 - 08/10/19 at 12:35:19
 
It’s an absolute fact there were and will be protestors targeting Trump with only violence on their agenda. If you want to pretend you’re an ostrich and bury yourself to those fact, nothing I can do about that but by siding with the protesters you are condoning violence?

You have no idea who or how many were at that protest, how large of a physical space it occupied, could statue protesters see the whole picture etc...  You’ve lumped them in and declared them racist.

A couple years ago, there was a motorcycle show downtown St Louis same weekend as the women’s march. At that protest, I saw horrible, awful signs about wishes of violence towards Trump, his wife and at least one sign about the mental capabilities of his youngest son.

So using your logic, everyone who stayed at that march is equally guilty by association of inciting violence etc...?
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Reply #41 - 08/10/19 at 12:45:50
 
You seem to be worried about the wrong people... Huh
Serowbot wrote on 08/10/19 at 09:21:35:
- 2017, out of 65 terrorist incidents , 37 were tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government, or xenophobic motivations.

- Two-thirds of the terror attacks in the United States last year were carried out by right-wing extremists.

- Every racist act of terror in the US this year was done by a White supremacist connected person
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Reply #42 - 08/10/19 at 13:35:10
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/10/19 at 10:24:32:
In Dayton this does not appear to be the case.
His political ideology was not a factor.

So someone saying:
“Make Racists Afraid Again”
“Kill All Fascists.”
"a photo that suggested slashing the tires of Border Patrol agents."
“3 Guilt Free Ways to Kill Fascists,”

And, (Drum roll now)
“I want socialism, and I’ll not wait for the idiots to finally come around to understanding.”

Is not a, "political ideology" ?

As to: If these are things he actually said
Look it up, very easy to find from several sources.

As tt often has said:
'Look it up yourself, or are you to lazy'


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Reply #43 - 08/10/19 at 13:38:01
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/10/19 at 12:45:50:
- Every racist act of terror in the US this year was done by a White supremacist connected person

Don't believe that statement.
Can you provide some proof of it.
From a Legitimate source.
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Reply #44 - 08/10/19 at 14:20:48
 
MnSpring wrote on 08/10/19 at 13:38:01:
Serowbot wrote on 08/10/19 at 12:45:50:
- Every racist act of terror in the US this year was done by a White supremacist connected person

Don't believe that statement.
Can you provide some proof of it.
From a Legitimate source.


'Look it up yourself, or are you to lazy'


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