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Reply #15 - 08/07/19 at 10:19:47

One theory I have Fast 650 (is that a contradiction in terms?...) is the same basic mechanism that creates suicides can create mass shootings.

If you read what the El Paso shooter left and what the Dayton shooter's girlfriend wrote, they both contain suicidal thoughts.

In once case, those in such great depths of despair lash out at themselves, in another case, they lash out at others. But both have similar root causes, absolute despair.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9397 Minn Gender:	Re: On mass killing Reply #16 - 08/07/19 at 10:26:08 Eegore wrote on 08/06/19 at 20:07:51: "...reducing access to those methods, (for instance I can't go to Wal-Mart and buy grenades and C-4) ..." Should access to, Fertilizer, Diesel Fuel, and BBQ LP gas tanks, (just to name a few), also be restricted ?
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Reply #17 - 08/07/19 at 10:34:33

WebsterMark wrote on 08/07/19 at 09:43:46:
Okay then. If you think getting rid of the 2nd Amendment is a great idea because it's not protecting us at all, I'd suggest getting rid of the 4th Amendment. ..."

I believe, if the 2nd goes gown down, very shortly after will be the 1st, then the 4th.
After that, one by one, they will be modified to say nothing, or be eliminated.

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Reply #19 - 08/07/19 at 10:55:03

MnSpring wrote on 08/07/19 at 10:26:08:

Eegore wrote on 08/06/19 at 20:07:51:

"...reducing access to those methods, (for instance I can't go to Wal-Mart and buy grenades and C-4) ..."

Should access to, Fertilizer, Diesel Fuel, and BBQ LP gas tanks, (just to name a few), also be restricted ?

No, but thanks to mcveigh, there is now a conscious effort to monitor those types of purchases.

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9397 Minn Gender:	Re: On mass killing Reply #20 - 08/07/19 at 11:21:06 T And T Garage wrote on 08/07/19 at 10:55:03: No, but thanks to mcveigh, there is now a conscious effort to monitor those types of purchases. Please explain how, and where that is happening ?
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Reply #21 - 08/07/19 at 11:28:54

MnSpring wrote on 08/07/19 at 11:21:06:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/07/19 at 10:55:03:

No, but thanks to mcveigh, there is now a conscious effort to monitor those types of purchases.

Please explain how, and where that is happening ?

With the ATF and the manufacturers and resellers.
https://www.atf.gov/explosives/ammonium-nitrate-security

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Reply #22 - 08/07/19 at 11:35:35

T And T Garage wrote on 08/07/19 at 11:28:54:

MnSpring wrote on 08/07/19 at 11:21:06:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/07/19 at 10:55:03:

No, but thanks to mcveigh, there is now a conscious effort to monitor those types of purchases.

Please explain how, and where that is happening ?

With the ATF and the manufacturers and resellers.

The link you posted says:
"...This voluntary program..."

Again, very appropriate to post what you say:
"I can say pretty much anything I want"

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Reply #23 - 08/07/19 at 11:42:13

MnSpring wrote on 08/07/19 at 11:35:35:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/07/19 at 11:28:54:

MnSpring wrote on 08/07/19 at 11:21:06:

T And T Garage wrote on 08/07/19 at 10:55:03:

No, but thanks to mcveigh, there is now a conscious effort to monitor those types of purchases.

Please explain how, and where that is happening ?

With the ATF and the manufacturers and resellers.

The link you posted says:
"...This voluntary program..."

Again, very appropriate to post what you say:
"I can say pretty much anything I want"

Hmmm... did I say there was a law?

Nope.

I said that there was a "conscious effort".

So, what are you complaining about?

And why do you keep using that quote out of context? (no need to answer - it's the same reason you don't know how to use the proper spelling of "there").

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Reply #24 - 08/07/19 at 13:28:52

"Should access to, Fertilizer, Diesel Fuel, and BBQ LP gas tanks, (just to name a few), also be restricted ? "

Yes. I have supported all Ammonia Nitrate purchase/carry/distribution proposals that I have come across. The methods today to document and track this stuff is so available I see no reason to not track it.

I know, should pressure cookers also be restricted because of the Boston Bomber? No. There just isn't enough suicidal idiots out there making those bombs yet.

"I believe, if the 2nd goes gown down, very shortly after will be the 1st, then the 4th.
After that, one by one, they will be modified to say nothing, or be eliminated."

I will believe that when people start shooting law enforcement for searching their vehicles without probable cause, or shooting their congressmen for letting the Net Neutrality protections fail. I do not believe law enforcement follow the 4th out of fear that the community will rise up and start killing the Police.

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Reply #25 - 08/07/19 at 14:29:40

Bombs are another false equivalence comparison with assault weapons...

Building a bomb is risky,
...many people blow themselves up trying to make them...
...bombs take time to assemble, many are caught during that time...
...bombs take knowledge,.. many are caught trying to get information
...bombs fail to work... many are caught when they fail

Assault weapons work too well...
...any idiot can pull that trigger and kill and maim scores of innocent people. It's just too easy.
The danger is in the ease of accessibility and use.

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Reply #27 - 08/11/19 at 15:34:14

Eegore wrote on 08/07/19 at 13:28:52:

I do not believe law enforcement follow the 4th out of fear that the community will rise up and start killing the Police.

I agree.
I believe that the police today follow the 4th, not because they are afraid that someone will shoot them.

They follow the 4th, because they, KNOW, if they do not.
They will not have A Job, A House, A Car, A Bank account, etc.

And the 4th is their, because the 2nd is their.
Take away the 2nd, No 1st or 4th, VERY soon after.

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Reply #28 - 08/11/19 at 19:51:06

"And the 4th is their, because the 2nd is their.
Take away the 2nd, No 1st or 4th, VERY soon after."

If the Police or Government is not concerned about US citizens murdering them for violating the 4th, then how is the 2nd keeping the 4th in practice?

If the Government violates someone's rights, or many, those people are not marching into Capital Buildings and killing the Congressmen.

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Reply #29 - 08/12/19 at 08:46:09

Eegore wrote on 08/11/19 at 19:51:06:

If the Police or Government is not concerned about US citizens murdering them for violating the 4th, then how is the 2nd keeping the 4th in practice?

Simply, because the 2nd, keeps the first, which keeps the 4th, (and all the rest)
Because the 1st, allows a person to say:
"Hea, that Policeman/woman, broke into my house and took my money"

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