I agree that even though the Levin and Madfis model is 10 years old and could use some updating it is a more accurate way of dealing with mass murder than just taking away certain gun types.

 I do however think that fatality rate per minute needs to be looked at.  Certain methods kill faster, and reducing access to those methods, (for instance I can't go to Wal-Mart and buy grenades and C-4) will be moderately beneficial in some cases.

 Also by acknowledging that fatality rate per minute is a concern we can attempt to have productive conversations instead of childish back and forth about who can create the more ridiculous analogy about gun control.

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/06/19 at 22:30:43:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/07/19 at 07:20:07:

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 I feel it's a valid question that for some reason people aren't answering.

 If you had the option of having a firearm on your person when someone starts shooting people, would you take it?

 In the event that you are in public and someone is shooting people, and there is a loaded functioning firearm within your reach, would you use it?

 Is there a situation where you would choose to not defend yourself or others if the appropriate methods of self-defense were available to you?

Yes, to all three questions, depending on the particular circumstances of the incident and my assessment of what action was appropriate in that situation, both for my own safety and the safety of others.

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Only if I was sure I could extricate myself from the situation without having to confront the threat. The only 100% sure way of surviving a gunfight is not to get in one in the first place.

Eegore wrote on 08/07/19 at 08:20:17:



Eegore - I guess my point is being missed.

Of course I'd want a gun or something to protect myself.  Hell, I'd love an Ironman suit!  I don't think anyone would not want to protect themselves.

But the question itself is folly.  If someone came up to you in a Yugo and challenged you to a race for a million dollars, wouldn't you want the faster car?  If someone pushed you off a boat in the middle of a lake, wouldn't you want to know how to swim?  Well, yeah duh.  But how many times would these things happen in your life?

It's just a lame attempt to show how "we need more guns" is somehow a viable answer to the mass shootings in this country.

I'm leaning this way after these two shootings.

1) I'm okay with working on some type of national database where high risk people are listed and must go through some type of review before purchasing a firearms.  Now three are a lot of inherent problems with that, but if you read the column the Dayton shooter's girlfriend wrote or the writings the El Paso shooter left, you'd like to think there were opportunities to intercede. Same with Parkland High School kid. There were numerous opportunities with him. Note: there are 300 million ways around that list given that's how many guns are in the country now, but it's possible it will slow down a nutjob buying a gun.  

2) I'd encourage schools to ask for teachers to volunteer to go through training and carry. It would be a good goal to have several teachers in each school who carry and regularly re-train themselves.

3) A national conceal and carry procedure. I don't know why we can't train local law enforcement to conduct classes and basic training for those who want to carry. Not sure how this next part would be done, but the government can't keep a list of who carries.

That's a start.

Okay then. If you think getting rid of the 2nd Amendment is a great idea because it's not protecting us at all, I'd suggest getting rid of the 4th Amendment.

Let Uncle Sam just search houses, stop people at random, read emails etc.....  Think of all the crime they'd stop. They could have read the El Paso shooter's writings before he left for El Paso and pulled him over on the highway. They could have read the text and emails between the Dayton shooter and his girlfriend and figured something was up and stopped him.

If you really want to stop killings, change the 4th Amendment.