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Reply #30 - 08/04/19 at 14:24:12
 
Serowbot wrote on 08/04/19 at 08:56:46:
Nobody in modern America has need for guns,

Nobody in modern America has need for golf clubs.
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Reply #31 - 08/04/19 at 14:50:27
 
How fast can you kill 27 people with a golf club?...

The Dayton shooter was engaged by police within 20 seconds,... he was dead within 30 seconds,... 8 dead, 16 injured.

Good guy with a gun has to hear shots,.. locate shooter, get a shot, aim, fire,... hopefully hit...  
It can't get faster.  It can't stop 9 dead, 16 injured.

Bad guy with a golf club... 2 swings and gets his arse kicked.

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Reply #32 - 08/04/19 at 15:43:11
 
 Rate of murder per second is part of the issue no matter how many people want to say the 2nd Amendment is our right and as such we should own any firearm we want.

 We don't have a constitutional right to own rocket launchers or grenades for part of that reason.  Rate of murder per second.

 Comparing a baseball bat, or a knife to an AR-15 is a poor argument.  Nobody is going to believe a golf-club will murder as many people in a Wal-Mart as an AR-15, or in any place at any time ever.
 

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Reply #33 - 08/04/19 at 16:16:04
 
Trump calls mass shootings ‘a mental illness problem’

The El Paso shooters father is a mental health counselor...

Oh, the irony...
Better mental health care and screening isn't a bad idea,... but it isn't the solution.
Neither is the good guy with a gun.  Not when 30 seconds can cost 8 lives.
The solution is making mass murder take more time and harder to accomplish.  100 round semi-auto's are too easy.
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Reply #34 - 08/04/19 at 17:09:38
 

"The solution is making mass murder take more time and harder to accomplish."

 I agree.  This has been the most successful method for years.
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Reply #35 - 08/04/19 at 17:24:19
 
Ok, let me know when you destroy your firearms and put a 5-iron next to your nightstand.

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Reply #36 - 08/04/19 at 17:59:39
 
It's pointless to say it again.
The second amendment is about the
People having the RIGHT to keep and bear arms in order to protect themselves from the tyranny of a government that has ceased to be what the Constitution requires.
You don't like it?
Bye..
Because YOU are NOT Americans.
You are socialists.
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Reply #37 - 08/04/19 at 19:23:42
 
Did any of you read the writing he left?
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Reply #38 - 08/04/19 at 20:26:29
 
I did.
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Reply #39 - 08/04/19 at 21:33:38
 

 Well once I see an example of a militia stopping a submarine from leveling their compound with a cruise missile I will reconsider the idea that any civilian owned firearms are going to stop government tyranny.

 I agree with the right to bear arms for means of personal safety, but I do not agree that any organized militia group will stop The Government from eradicating any neighborhood in the US.  That was the intention back in the 1700's when civilians had a fighting chance, but today it is a completely different story.

 A good computer infiltration network will do far more damage these days.  Truth is a handful of guys in their mother's basements have a better chance of protecting us from The Government than anyone storing ammunition and hitting the range where nothing shoots back would ever do.

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Reply #40 - 08/05/19 at 03:24:13
 
Eegore wrote on 08/04/19 at 17:09:38:
"The solution is making mass murder take more time and harder to accomplish."

 I agree.  This has been the most successful method for years.  



Please elaborate on the need to shoot thousands of rounds out of an M4 this month.

This happens consistently with M-4s.  I have posted here about the amount of ammunition I barrel and re-use at official ranges numbering in the hundreds of thousands.  I have seen plenty of times shells eject slightly forward as well as bounce all over the place.  My group will fire over 6000 rounds this month alone.

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Reply #41 - 08/05/19 at 04:33:04
 
justin_o_guy2 wrote on 08/04/19 at 20:26:29:
I did.


Good, then you can comment on the shooters motivation, etc.

Otherwise, you can't and should just shut up cause you'd just be spewing nonsense. It's clear 99% of what I've read this morning are from those who didn't read it or those who did and purposely misrepresent the deranged man's state of mind. (Beto) Or maybe they're justbto stupid to comprehend sentences. (Again, Beto)
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Reply #42 - 08/05/19 at 04:37:27
 
WebsterMark wrote on 08/04/19 at 05:11:14:
I read what this guy left behind, his reasoning for doing this. Much like the other manifestos, it has elements of truth linked together with inaccuracies and massive over-generalized talking points from both sides of the political spectrum. He had three main themes. First and foremost was what the changing cultural makeup of the country, Texas in particular. Second was the infestation of corporate influence over the political world and third was the pending doom to the environment of the earth due to mankind.

Rational people, which includes everyone on here, are able to balance the over the top hyperbole we hear everyday with the reality of the world in front of us. This guy (and now perhaps the Dayton shooter) could not.

I think this other news I heard is basically is the same thing only manifested differently.  I heard yesterday about the Air Force and Marines attempting to address high suicide rates. I read that suicide is 2nd leading cause of death for  millennials behind accidents.

Assuming for a second suicide rates have climbed the past couple of decades and this is not simply a result of more honest and accurate data collection, seems to me there's a common link between these young mass shooters and young suicides.

Is it a feeling of hopelessness? That everyone else is able to enjoy life, that everyone else has it better, that everyone else has a better job, prettier wife, more sex, more money, everyone else just has it better.

Is our over sensitivity towards ensuring a safe, happy and prosperous childhood the past couple of generations delayed the pains of reality from the adolescent years into adulthood where some are less able  to deal with disappointment and rejection in a healthy manner?


Again, I circle back to this point. There's a relationship between suicides and mass shooters of random crowds. There's a commonality between them. I think it relates to feelings in gross inadequacy where in one case it manifest itself inward on themselves and in another case its outwards towards each other.
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Reply #43 - 08/05/19 at 04:52:28
 
I agree with the right to bear arms for means of personal safety, but I do not agree that any organized militia group will stop The Government from eradicating any neighborhood in the US.  That was the intention back in the 1700's when civilians had a fighting chance, but today it is a completely different story.

I disagree. Nations have been trying to take care of Afghanistan for about as long as I can remember for just one example. Our war against terror in many cases is essentially against an armed, civilian militia, fighting within neighborhoods. Unless the government turns gun ships to raze neighborhoods to rubble (which they won't do anymore than we are doing to the neighborhoods we're fighting in overseas) its a giant police action.

You leftist let your Trump imaginations run wild and ridiculously imagine him a dictator or something, so let your imaginations run wild and dream of Trump using the military to rout out you soft-commies and get rid of you once and for all. You Eegore, Sew and TT along with a few million others are now enemies of the state.

What are you gonna do? Rachel Maddow and Bill Mahre have been sent off to one of Trump's golf courses to cut grass and have not been seen again. What are you gonna do?
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Reply #44 - 08/05/19 at 07:25:28
 
Eegore wrote on 08/04/19 at 21:33:38:
   A good computer infiltration network will do far more damage these days.  Truth is a handful of guys in their mother's basements have a better chance of protecting us from The Government   

Agree with that.

"...once I see an example of a militia stopping a submarine from leveling their compound with a cruise missile I will reconsider the idea that any civilian owned firearms are going to stop government tyranny..."


That will not happen.

If the US military can not do that in Kora, Vietnam, or any part of the Middle East.  They would never do that on US soil.
And if they were ever 'ordered' to do that by the likes of AOC/BS/and other Socialists.
They also would defend their freedom.





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