SuzukiSavage.com - Why don't you get it?

thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 5809 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Why don't you get it? Reply #15 - 07/14/19 at 16:55:59 Hiko wrote on 07/14/19 at 11:59:29: thumperclone wrote on 07/14/19 at 07:35:45: a tourist visiting the U.S. has the same rights as you and I AND must abide by our laws UNLESS they have diplomatic immunity So me as an alien to the US can rock up and vote? Wow how generous. if you can register you can vote...
Back to top	standing for those who stood for US IP Logged

raydawg

Serious Thumper

Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 11551
pacific northwest
Gender: male

Re: Why don't you get it?
Reply #16 - 07/14/19 at 17:48:21

Perfect......

Arguing that the 14th amendment does not protect abortion is like saying it doesn't protect ear piercing.
It protects women's right's to determine what is done to their bodies.
It is a private matter.

Even at 13 years of age, she can get a abortion with NO ONES consent, WHICH came about with sexual intercourse so with your reasoning then why can't she charge older men, selling her body, under the same reasoning its HER CHOICE to do with HER BODY and therefor guys can't be held to a legal jeopardy?

You want to answer it this time?

Back to top

“The biggest big business in America is not steel, automobiles, or television. It is the manufacture, refinement and distribution of anxiety.”—Eric Sevareid (1964)

IP Logged

justin_o_guy2

Serious Thumper

Offline

What happened?

Posts: 55279
East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.

Re: Why don't you get it?
Reply #17 - 07/14/19 at 18:11:51

There was no
Constitutional Right to abortion.
The fourteenth amendment says the Constitutional Rights and Protections are Reserved for those people who are
Born Or NATURALIZED into the country.
No constitutional RIGHTS to an abortion were created or granted.
SCOTUS simply read the constitution nOT include the UNBORN, therefore, the UNBORN child could legally be killed.
Even Hillary Clinton has said as much.

Back to top

The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.- Edmund Burke.

IP Logged

Serowbot

YaBB Moderator
ModSquad

Offline

OK.... so what's the
speed of dark?

Posts: 28362
Tucson Az
Gender: male

Re: Why don't you get it?
Reply #18 - 07/14/19 at 18:14:15

Whether she can or can't is irrelevant.

It would still be a crime for an adult man to have sex with her because the courts say she is a minor . Not of legal age to consent.

The reason courts allow minor girls to get abortions is because of the dangers of having a child too young.
Some times it's a relative that got her pregnant, other times they fear their parents, violence or being cast out.
It's not a good situation, but there aren't any better alternatives.
I'm sure providers encourage consulting family, but it in't legally required for the girls safety.

You keep harping on why adults can't screw children.
They just can't. It's illegal.
I imagine,.. and hope you're thinking of a 17 yr old or something, but there has to be a line drawn somewhere.
There are sicko's that would molest 4 yr olds.
Is that okay with you? Even if they consent?.
Let's hope not.

Back to top

Ludicrous Speed !... ... Huh

...

IP Logged

Serowbot

YaBB Moderator
ModSquad

Offline

OK.... so what's the
speed of dark?

Posts: 28362
Tucson Az
Gender: male

Re: Why don't you get it?
Reply #19 - 07/14/19 at 18:19:51

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/14/19 at 18:11:51:

SCOTUS simply read the constitution nOT include the UNBORN, therefore, the UNBORN child could legally be killed.

So,.. if you grant Constitutional rights to the unborn,.. and a Mexican comes across the border while pregnant,.. do you grant it citizenship in the womb?...
If it's born here it get's citizenship.
What if it spends 8 months gestating here? or 3 months?
Is it not equal to baby? ..or something less than a baby?

Some cans of worms you don't want to open.

Back to top

Ludicrous Speed !... ... Huh

...

IP Logged

justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Why don't you get it? Reply #20 - 07/14/19 at 18:21:47 I remember when sodomy was illegal. Someone wanted the Societal Norms changed. Gee, what's Next? Or are you lefties done?
Back to top	The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.- Edmund Burke. IP Logged

Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28362 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: Why don't you get it? Reply #21 - 07/14/19 at 18:32:53 It's still illegal for them to do it to you,.. if you don't consent. So don't worry. It's even illegal for you to do it to your wife,... unless she consents. BJ's too. That's also sodomy. Are you anti BJ?...
Back to top	Ludicrous Speed !... ... ... IP Logged

Eegore

Serious Thumper

Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 7990

Re: Why don't you get it?
Reply #22 - 07/14/19 at 19:25:10

"Even at 13 years of age, she can get a abortion with NO ONES consent, WHICH came about with sexual intercourse so with your reasoning then why can't she charge older men, selling her body, under the same reasoning its HER CHOICE to do with HER BODY and therefor guys can't be held to a legal jeopardy?

You want to answer it this time?"

You are clearly mixing up the difference between consent of a minor and consent of an adult and leaving out the inability for a minor to legally enter into a financial agreement.

A thirteen year old can not give legal consent to have sexual intercourse with anyone. Again... Legal consent.

That does not mean it is illegal for a thirteen year old to have sexual intercourse. It is however illegal for an adult to have intercourse with a 13 year old because she can't give Legal Consent.

Underage humans in the US unless in rare Emancipation circumstances can not enter into a legal contract, which is why parents sign field-trip forms, or football camp waivers.

A thirteen year old girl can not charge an adult male for sexual services because she can not legally enter into a financial contract.

A thirteen year old girl can legally engage in a clinical abortion under a licensed provider.

With a strong enough campaign you may be able to change law so that thirteen year olds can consent exclusively to sexual intercourse by means of an agent who handles the funds, or even attempt to legalize sex-act transactions for minors. Good luck getting people on board with that.

Back to top

IP Logged

justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Why don't you get it? Reply #23 - 07/14/19 at 19:33:10 Serowbot wrote on 07/14/19 at 18:32:53: It's still illegal for them to do it to you,.. if you don't consent. So don't worry. It's even illegal for you to do it to your wife,... unless she consents. BJ's too. That's also sodomy. Are you anti BJ?... Way to dodge the point.
Back to top	The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.- Edmund Burke. IP Logged

Eegore

Serious Thumper

Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 7990

Re: Why don't you get it?
Reply #24 - 07/14/19 at 19:40:42

"I remember when sodomy was illegal.
Someone wanted the
Societal Norms changed.
Gee, what's Next?"

That sounds like someone saying:

"I remember when women couldn't vote.
Gee, Whats next?"

It wasn't "Someone" who wanted societal norms changed, it was a lot of people, enough that more wanted change than those who actually did something to stop it.

Lefties are at this time doing a better job at getting what they want, its that simple.

Back to top

IP Logged

T And T Garage

Serious Thumper

Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 9839

Re: Why don't you get it?
Reply #25 - 07/14/19 at 19:43:33

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/14/19 at 00:17:22:

The unborn American has no constitutional rights or protections,
Because they are not born or naturalized into the country.

No, because they are not humans. A fetus is not a human.

People who have entered illegally are not born or naturalized into the country, yet the same people who are happy to see the unborn killed are demanding the illegal aliens be treated as if
They are citizens...

Oh, so living in a cage and not being able to bathe in 4 weeks - you mean like that?

Do you even know what Roe v. Wade said?
There is no
Constitutional RIGHT to an abortion.

There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits abortions.

There are no constitutional rights for the unborn, that's all.

Correct, because they are not human.

But lefties seem to believe that people who are here illegally are due the same considerations as citizens.

Basic human rights - you know, because they're humans.

That's completely without reason.
Who breaks into your house and gets adopted into your family?

No one. That's a terrible straw-man.

Back to top

IP Logged

T And T Garage

Serious Thumper

Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 9839

Re: Why don't you get it?
Reply #26 - 07/14/19 at 19:49:58

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/14/19 at 18:21:47:

I remember when sodomy was illegal.
Someone wanted the
Societal Norms changed.
Gee, what's Next?
Or are you lefties done?

Societal norms protect innocent humans. The example you use is not really applicable.

Consensual sodomy is no different than consensual sex.

You honestly think that "us lefties" will somehow change societal norms to the point of hurting the innocent?

Not gonna happen.

Back to top

IP Logged

justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Why don't you get it? Reply #27 - 07/14/19 at 22:15:47 You don't know the damage done now. Look at what is going on. It's insanity Men competing in women's competitions. Little boys playing drag queens. Ohhh, you're gonna wreck it.. You're gonna win. Lefties really do call good evil and evil good.
Back to top	The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion.- Edmund Burke. IP Logged

T And T Garage

Serious Thumper

Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 9839

Re: Why don't you get it?
Reply #28 - 07/15/19 at 05:41:55

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 07/14/19 at 22:15:47:

You don't know the damage done now.
Look at what is going on.
It's insanity
Men competing in women's competitions.
Little boys playing drag queens.
Ohhh, you're gonna wreck it..
You're gonna win.
Lefties really do call good evil and evil good.

It's kinda sad you don't see the big picture. There's such diversity outside the old-world-provincial perspective. It's what truly makes America great.

Back to top

IP Logged

raydawg

Serious Thumper

Offline

SuzukiSavage.com
Rocks!

Posts: 11551
pacific northwest
Gender: male

Re: Why don't you get it?
Reply #29 - 07/15/19 at 06:03:45

Eegore wrote on 07/14/19 at 19:25:10:

"Even at 13 years of age, she can get a abortion with NO ONES consent, WHICH came about with sexual intercourse so with your reasoning then why can't she charge older men, selling her body, under the same reasoning its HER CHOICE to do with HER BODY and therefor guys can't be held to a legal jeopardy?

You want to answer it this time?"

You are clearly mixing up the difference between consent of a minor and consent of an adult and leaving out the inability for a minor to legally enter into a financial agreement.

A thirteen year old can not give legal consent to have sexual intercourse with anyone. Again... Legal consent.

That does not mean it is illegal for a thirteen year old to have sexual intercourse. It is however illegal for an adult to have intercourse with a 13 year old because she can't give Legal Consent.

Underage humans in the US unless in rare Emancipation circumstances can not enter into a legal contract, which is why parents sign field-trip forms, or football camp waivers.

A thirteen year old girl can not charge an adult male for sexual services because she can not legally enter into a financial contract.

A thirteen year old girl can legally engage in a clinical abortion under a licensed provider.

With a strong enough campaign you may be able to change law so that thirteen year olds can consent exclusively to sexual intercourse by means of an agent who handles the funds, or even attempt to legalize sex-act transactions for minors. Good luck getting people on board with that.

No, I am not trying to push this issue, I too believe its very wrong, the connection is the lame excuse the democrat party pushes that its all about their number one party platform reason ABORTION FOR ALL....

MY GAWD this girl couldn't get a tattoo with out consent, much less a elective medical procedure without consent, but this abortion issue is the very framework and supporting structure to what the party is, they will use a 13 year old child to a a pawn to enforce it.....

You say a minor can't enter a binding contract because she doesn't have the capacity to understand all the necessities, but some how a radical assault upon her body by removing life from her reproductive abilities that only a woman can do.....doesn't impact her, is to deny the facts of thousands of what women have shared otherwise....

You guys just keep your blind faith because reality scares you too much.

I totally understand why a minor can't enter into anything of legal binding nature, that is what is OBVIOUS, that you guys just somehow overlook...SMH.

Back to top

“The biggest big business in America is not steel, automobiles, or television. It is the manufacture, refinement and distribution of anxiety.”—Eric Sevareid (1964)

IP Logged