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philthymike Serious Thumper Offline Wallowing in my own crapulence Posts: 1413 Philadelphia Area Gender:	Re: You want more socialism......? Reply #15 - 07/10/19 at 15:54:29 https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-01-28/venezuela-case-socialist-organized-...
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Reply #16 - 07/10/19 at 16:03:07

T And T Garage wrote on 07/10/19 at 15:21:13:

So, you take in poor people? You give your time to the poor?

But as things progress, the way I see it, I'll give to the government (taxes) to have them help the poor. I "hire" my reps to do that for me.

Where's the harm in that? You don't think Jesus would approve?

What do I do on a humanitarian level? I rescue homeless animals and try to find them permenent homes. Their is no telling how must I spent at the vet as well as for food this year. I do the best I can do to find them a home and if I can't I keep them.

Regarding if Jesus would approve, if you are doing the right things for the right reasons absolutely, if it is a government mandate no.

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Reply #17 - 07/10/19 at 16:11:49

pg wrote on 07/10/19 at 16:03:07:

T And T Garage wrote on 07/10/19 at 15:21:13:

So, you take in poor people? You give your time to the poor?

But as things progress, the way I see it, I'll give to the government (taxes) to have them help the poor. I "hire" my reps to do that for me.

Where's the harm in that? You don't think Jesus would approve?

What do I do on a humanitarian level? I rescue homeless animals and try to find them permenent homes. Their is no telling how must I spent at the vet as well as for food this year. I do the best I can do to find them a home and if I can't I keep them.

That's great - good on you!

Regarding if Jesus would approve, if you are doing the right things for the right reasons absolutely, if it is a government mandate no.

What difference does it make where the aid comes from? If he were here today, you think Jesus would say "no" to the government helping the less fortunate?

Given the sheer wealth that this country has, it's preposterous that so many go without food, shelter or healthcare.

Jesus would be the first one to go to Wallstreet and "overturn the money changer's tables".

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Reply #18 - 07/10/19 at 16:29:55

I think folks are missing the point......

Maybe too, unless moved by the spirit, you look at thing through the eyes of fallen man.

Wasn't the New Testament all about laws, how'd that work out?

Make laws, and enforce laws, even if well intended, empowers the enforcers.....no matter what you call it, monarchy, dictator, socialism, communism, democracy.....

Toot your own horns, as worthy...... because you say, do, something that you think justifies you.....

That is the problem with mankind.

The gate is narrow, very narrow.

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Reply #19 - 07/10/19 at 16:40:11

raydawg wrote on 07/10/19 at 16:29:55:

I think folks are missing the point......

Maybe too, unless moved by the spirit, you look at thing through the eyes of fallen man.

Wasn't the New Testament all about laws, how'd that work out?

Make laws, and enforce laws, even if well intended, empowers the enforcers.....no matter what you call it, monarchy, dictator, socialism, communism, democracy.....

Toot your own horns, as worthy...... because you say, do, something that you think justifies you.....

That is the problem with mankind.

The gate is narrow, very narrow.

What the hell does that even mean?

Everything I do, justifies me.

Everything you do, justifies you.

We are who we are.

As far as the laws thing... you lost me there. You want no laws, or just Bible laws?

SMH....

Yet you talk about AOC's panties.....

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Reply #20 - 07/10/19 at 19:44:12

Serowbot wrote on 07/10/19 at 15:24:24:

WebsterMark wrote on 07/10/19 at 15:00:01:

Invoke Jesus all you want. Reformed humanity probably has socialistic tendencies. However, Jesus was very clear there are levels in heaven. Everyone is not equal. However, because of the reformed nature of humanity, there is no jealousy like is displayed by leftist today.

I think you're thinking of Dante's levels in hell.
I know of no levels in heaven.

The concept of levels is mentioned several times.

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Reply #21 - 07/11/19 at 07:31:12

The Bible speaks of only one eternal home for believers in which all of God's people will ultimately dwell with Him forever. However, there has been much confusion on this topic due to a passage in 2 Corinthians 12 in which Paul speaks of a third heaven. What did he mean by this?

Although stated in an anonymous fashion (v. 2), it appears clear that Paul spoke of himself when discussing his vision of the third heaven. In it, he made reference to the cultural idea that included three levels of "heaven." The first level referred to the sky. In fact, the Greek and Hebrew words for heaven and sky are the same. The second level referred to the night skies or what we would call outer space. The third heaven referred to the unseen heaven where God dwells with His people.

In addition to this passage, many people have been confused about levels of heaven because of the popular writing by Dante called the Divine Comedy. In it, he describes nine levels of heaven with details regarding each level. This writing, though creative, is a work of fiction and is not to be accepted as the teachings of the Bible.

Further, many other religious movements speak of multiple levels of heaven or the afterlife. Both Jehovah's Witnesses and the Mormon Church have concepts of the afterlife that include more than one level of what would be considered heaven. However, these concepts are not traditional biblical interpretations but rather interpretations unique to these movements.

For example, Jehovah's Witnesses believe there is a special group of 144,000 people will be in the highest level of "heaven" or "paradise" with Jehovah and that other faithful followers will exist in a different heavenly afterlife on earth based on Revelation 7. However, this view inaccurately treats the 144,000 as a group of faithful Jehovah's Witnesses rather than 144,000 Jewish evangelists who share the gospel of Jesus in the last days.

In the Mormon Church, there are three levels of the afterlife called the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, and the telestial kingdom. Mormon doctrine teaches that the celestial kingdom is the third heaven mentioned in 2 Corinthians 12, is reached by the most faithful Mormons and children who die before the age of 8 years old, and is where both God the Father and Jesus Christ dwell (considered two Persons in Mormon teachings).

While there are many views of heaven and the afterlife found in cultural and religious teachings, the Bible presents only two places in the afterlife—heaven and hell—and does not teach multiple levels of heaven. All of God's people will dwell in God's presence forever.

* https://www.compellingtruth.org/levels-heaven.html

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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12927 Gender:	Re: You want more socialism......? Reply #22 - 07/11/19 at 15:14:29 and does not teach multiple levels of heaven. I'm throwing the yellow BS flag.... Yes it does. The Parable of the Talents for one, but plenty of others. But it's important that regardless of a hierarchy, there's no jealousy.
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WebsterMark Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 12927 Gender:	Re: You want more socialism......? Reply #24 - 07/11/19 at 16:02:47 Much like the left demanding equal pay for unequal market value with the woman's soccer debate, I don't expect you to actually ponder the issue particularly closely. However, nonetheless, its a valid and well evolved theological topic.
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Serowbot YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline OK.... so what's the speed of dark? Posts: 28423 Tucson Az Gender:	Re: You want more socialism......? Reply #25 - 07/11/19 at 16:08:03 The Women's World Cup final brought in higher ratings than the men's yet they were paid a fraction of what the men made. Their jersey is selling more than any other jersey in history. They don't have an equal pay for equal work claim,.. they have a superior work claim. By your values, you should be supporting them.
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Reply #26 - 07/12/19 at 06:41:26

Serowbot wrote on 07/11/19 at 16:08:03:

The Women's World Cup final brought in higher ratings than the men's yet they were paid a fraction of what the men made.
Their jersey is selling more than any other jersey in history.

They don't have an equal pay for equal work claim,.. they have a superior work claim.

By your values, you should be supporting them.

Yea, I'm calling BS on all that. The US mens team wasn't in the World Cup final for one thing. And no, its not the best selling jersey in history. That's patently ridiculous. It's the best selling Nike soccer jersey.

Look, I'm glad we won but to say they deserve the same as other leagues is likewise patently ridiculous. The woman's world cup is said to have generated 130 million in revenue. The last men's world cup generated 6 billion. That's billion with a B. Please tell me you guys are so far gone that the simplest of logical conclusions is unable to penetrate the PC cocoon you've wrapped yourself in. Please.

And by the way, the annoying one, the female soccer version of Kapernick, is going to make a fortune off endorsements (an extra amount because she's gay) while a couple of her 'lesser' teammates will make considerable less off the endorsements they'll get. Is she planning on demanding equal pay by either refusing all offers or taking less so it's spread around? Doubt it.

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raydawg Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 11551 pacific northwest Gender:	Re: You want more socialism......? Reply #27 - 07/12/19 at 07:26:27 Key to any sustainable life, here now, or later....... But it's important that regardless of a hierarchy, there's no jealousy. Now, is that even possible under socialism?
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