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Reply #30 - 07/03/19 at 09:57:40
 
"When Trump condemned white nationalist, you and others lied saying he did not. The whole "fine people on both sides" lie. Even the leading Presidential Candidate Biden repeated this lie in his announcement with no objections."

 Unless I missed it Trump did not say "fine people on both sides":

POTUS -

"But we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Va.. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time."
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Reply #31 - 07/03/19 at 11:40:24
 

White skinned people, that cover their faces,
BEAT People UP, who have a Skin Color, and Sexual Preference that is different from theirs, with no provocation all while chanting, ‘no hate’.

Are called What, (By tt)   ?
“…the moronic white supremacists …”

Yet when, Antifa does the SAME THING,
The Antifa loving tt says NOTHING,
to condemn them at the same rate and veracity as he does, KKK, Nazi’s.
Nothing even close to the same.

In fact tt has said several times he supports Antifa’s ideals, (less the violence)
Hello !!!!!  Antifa’s ideals, ARE VIOLENCE. Today !!!!!

To Quote WM’s words:
“…your attempts to plant the seed of moral equivalency are not valid. Think at the outrage directed towards one young teenage boy's smile towards an activist Indian beating a drum compared to the muted responses  to violent attacks which were frankly a natural consequence to your demand for public confrontations. I recall you were thrilled with the idea of milkshake attacks….”

So tt, in the 1-5% of the UL Left, (Just like Antifa)
says one thing,
yet, SUPPORTS another.

Gee, what is that, “H” word ?
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Reply #32 - 07/03/19 at 12:23:49
 
WebsterMark wrote on 07/03/19 at 08:22:21:
The silence of the MSM and a few half hearted comments from leading Democrats reveals whose side they're on.

When Trump condemned white nationalist, you and others lied saying he did not. The whole "fine people on both sides" lie. Even the leading Presidential Candidate Biden repeated this lie in his announcement with no objections.

See Sero's response - it took him nearly a day to realize how stupid his statement was.

No, your attempts to plant the seed of moral equivalency are not valid.

They're actually quite valid.  The racist, white extremist crowd has far more actual blood on its hands than the left.

Think at the outrage directed towards one young teenage boy's smile towards an activist Indian beating a drum compared to the muted responses  to violent attacks which were frankly a natural consequence to your demand for public confrontations. I recall you were thrilled with the idea of milkshake attacks.

Where was I "thrilled" at that?  Please cite the example.

You will find yourself in one of these crowds, perhaps sooner rather than later. At that point, you'll confront the leftist socialist's natural pull towards force to impose your views and punishment towards those who resist.

BS - no, I won't.  Again, you don't know me - maybe stop trying to make this personal every single time mark.

Tell me, would you join a crowd in a restaurant chanting until Ted Cruz and his wife left? Would you stand outside Tucker Carlson's house shouting profanity at anyone inside?


No.  Would you join a group of protestors outside an abortion clinic?
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Reply #33 - 07/03/19 at 12:30:27
 
Eegore wrote on 07/03/19 at 09:57:40:
"When Trump condemned white nationalist, you and others lied saying he did not. The whole "fine people on both sides" lie. Even the leading Presidential Candidate Biden repeated this lie in his announcement with no objections."

 Unless I missed it Trump did not say "fine people on both sides":

POTUS -

"But we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Va.. We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides. It's been going on for a long time in our country. Not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. This has been going on for a long, long time. It has no place in America. What is vital now is a swift restoration of law and order and the protection of innocent lives. No citizen should ever fear for their safety and security in our society. And no child should ever be afraid to go outside and play or be with their parents and have a good time."




Actually Eegore, this is the response in question:

On Aug. 15, 2017, President Donald Trump held a press conference to discuss an executive order he had signed on infrastructure permitting. Reporters shortly began asking questions about Trump’s initial response to violent protests in Charlottesville, Va. It was at this press conference that Trump said that "you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides."

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/apr/26/context-trumps-ve...
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Reply #34 - 07/03/19 at 12:32:19
 
MnSpring wrote on 07/03/19 at 11:40:24:

White skinned people, that cover their faces,
BEAT People UP, who have a Skin Color, and Sexual Preference that is different from theirs, with no provocation all while chanting, ‘no hate’.

Are called What, (By tt)   ?
“…the moronic white supremacists …”

Yet when, Antifa does the SAME THING,
The Antifa loving tt says NOTHING,
to condemn them at the same rate and veracity as he does, KKK, Nazi’s.
Nothing even close to the same.

In fact tt has said several times he supports Antifa’s ideals, (less the violence)
Hello !!!!!  Antifa’s ideals, ARE VIOLENCE. Today !!!!!

To Quote WM’s words:
“…your attempts to plant the seed of moral equivalency are not valid. Think at the outrage directed towards one young teenage boy's smile towards an activist Indian beating a drum compared to the muted responses  to violent attacks which were frankly a natural consequence to your demand for public confrontations. I recall you were thrilled with the idea of milkshake attacks….”

So tt, in the 1-5% of the UL Left, (Just like Antifa)
says one thing,
yet, SUPPORTS another.

Gee, what is that, “H” word ?


That "H" word you're looking for is "Hilarious" - just like your posts!   Grin
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Reply #35 - 07/03/19 at 17:39:54
 
T And T Garage wrote on 07/03/19 at 05:56:01:
pg wrote on 07/03/19 at 03:54:10:
T And T Garage wrote on 07/02/19 at 21:06:34:
pg wrote on 07/02/19 at 19:02:36:
T And T Garage wrote on 07/02/19 at 16:24:29:
I don't believe so.  It's an ideology, not an official organization.



Then how come these Marxist clowns always know when and where to show up?  They don't have a headquarters, but they are organized.

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The same way the idiot white nationalists gathered in Charlottesville.  If those idiots can, then anyone can.



I thought you didn't like "whataboutisms"......  

What I posted wasn't a "whataboutism" it was a comparison of how groups gather.  You asked how and I used the moronic white supremacists as an example.  Are you offended that I called them idiots?

In no uncertain terms that was a "whataboutism", nice try but no.

I suppose only when it supports your narrative.  I'm not the one who supports Antifa, their tactics, and their values.  

Well pro golfer, I'm not sure how many times I have to say this, but - I don't support the violence that accompanies some of their protests, but I support the message of ant-fascism.  Are you clear on that?


T And T Garage wrote on 04/05/19 at 08:46:16:
Oh, I'm sorry pro golfer - let me spell it out for you - short of violence, I condone calling out fascism.  Intimidation, protest, and any other means within the bounds of legal activities are fine by me.



Their is no fascism in this country and Bot even said "The definition of fascism has broadened over time to basically apply to someone in power that you don't like."  These people harass, intimidate, and assault their political opponents.  

Oh, I think there's plenty of fascism in this country.  There's plenty to be concerned about.

Please site some examples.

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Reply #36 - 07/04/19 at 05:07:00
 
Someone else can do the search but as I recalled, our friend TT felt chasing Cruz and his wife out of a restaurant was great. I recall a comment about milkshakes another time.

Point is, leftists like TT don't take kindly to anyone who can't grasp their imagined superior intellect. The popular line of thinking is the often repeated "dog whistle" phrase which is their idea Trump tells a joke and minons (including Russians) act out.

As we've seen however, "innocent" chasing people out of public places, chanting in front of their houses, quickly turns into the violence of the Democratic party's brown shirt brigade. Fact is, I've heard very little hard line condemnation against what happened to the reporter in Portland and I expect more of TT's mask friends to show up in other liberally dominated cities.

As the 2020 campaign moves along and as the eventual Democratic candidate falters, unless the leftist leaders step up and demand strict enforcement against their Brown Shirts, its going to get worse.

It won't end well for someone, that's for sure. Most Trump supporters don't wear hats, bumper stickers or yard signs because we know that's an invitation for an attack, but one of your rich little little suburban antifa kid takes a swipe at the wrong Trump bubba, and someone's not gonna wake up. That's as sure as the sun rising. Likewise as sure is how our friends here who seem to have a difficult time with proper moral comparisons will spin this into yet another imagined Trump dog whistle order to attack.

However, despite all this leftist crap, remember two things. 1) we've dealt with worse and survived. 2) Its the 4th of July which is cause to salute the most outstanding nation the world has ever witnessed. (Despite what a recent NY Times article said) We are a great country and have influenced the world for the better. Have a little pride today.

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Reply #37 - 07/05/19 at 09:46:45
 
WebsterMark wrote on 07/04/19 at 05:07:00:
Someone else can do the search but as I recalled, our friend TT felt chasing Cruz and his wife out of a restaurant was great. I recall a comment about milkshakes another time.

No, once again, you're wrong.  I said that it was in poor taste to chase out cruz and I never condoned anything with milkshakes.  You only wish I did.  You, for some reason, need to make this personal.  It's pretty sad mark.

Point is, leftists like TT don't take kindly to anyone who can't grasp their imagined superior intellect. The popular line of thinking is the often repeated "dog whistle" phrase which is their idea Trump tells a joke and minons (including Russians) act out.

The fact is mark, most of my posts are simply pointing out the massive hypocrisy of the right.  It doesn't take much intellect to simply repost the truth.  However, I can see where it may bother you that I highlight the fact that far too many on this forum seem to posses a less than firm grip on reality.  That, and the common lack of any grammar skills.   Cheesy

As we've seen however, "innocent" chasing people out of public places, chanting in front of their houses, quickly turns into the violence of the Democratic party's brown shirt brigade. Fact is, I've heard very little hard line condemnation against what happened to the reporter in Portland and I expect more of TT's mask friends to show up in other liberally dominated cities.

Well mark, you haven't been paying attention.  I've condemned that type of behaviour.  The message of antifa is not one of violence, but the condemnation of fascism.  I never condone violence.  Period.

As the 2020 campaign moves along and as the eventual Democratic candidate falters, unless the leftist leaders step up and demand strict enforcement against their Brown Shirts, its going to get worse.

It won't end well for someone, that's for sure. Most Trump supporters don't wear hats, bumper stickers or yard signs because we know that's an invitation for an attack, but one of your rich little little suburban antifa kid takes a swipe at the wrong Trump bubba, and someone's not gonna wake up. That's as sure as the sun rising. Likewise as sure is how our friends here who seem to have a difficult time with proper moral comparisons will spin this into yet another imagined Trump dog whistle order to attack.

LOL... that's funny.  You condone killing someone.  Good for you.

However, despite all this leftist crap, remember two things. 1) we've dealt with worse and survived. 2) Its the 4th of July which is cause to salute the most outstanding nation the world has ever witnessed. (Despite what a recent NY Times article said) We are a great country and have influenced the world for the better. Have a little pride today.

I have plenty of pride - as do all my democratic friends.  What we also have is disgust for a "president" who is a traitor and draft-dodger that wants to put on a show for himself.

How you and your cohorts can continue to stand by and condone this kind of behavior is beyond lunacy.



One last thing mark - how about you stop making all your posts personal against me?  Keep your eye on what's really going on for once.
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Reply #38 - 07/05/19 at 10:44:09
 
Search your own post.....

You ignore the monumental sized hypocrisy that is the Left the first of which is calling themselves  American to begin with. That's debatable.....

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Reply #39 - 07/05/19 at 10:48:53
 
Keep your eye on what's really going on for once.

You mean like an outstanding economy? Outstanding optimism in the business community? Wage growth? Great unemployment numbers? Lower taxes? Sure, I'll keep my eyes on that.
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Reply #40 - 07/05/19 at 11:06:51
 
One last thing mark - how about you stop making all your posts personal against me?

And speaking for myself (others can answer for themselves) the attention directed your way is proportional to the unanswered question if you're really as ignorant as you portray yourself. I see and talk to dozens of people every week (when I'm not laid up with a concussion anyway!) from all walks of life and in all income levels. Everyone talks politics and religion at dinner. No one is as obtuse to the reality of the world around them as you are.

You're a curiosity. You're a rabbit tossed to young wolves who banter it around trying to figure out what the hell this strange little thing is.

So I'll keep smacking you with my paws and tossing you in the air until I get bored. Then I'll eat you and crap out ypur remains.
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Reply #41 - 07/05/19 at 11:21:25
 
It's funny how in all your world travels, meeting all kinds of people, you never bump in to the 60% of Americans and 90% of the world that thinks Trump is a total idiot.
This has even included some former Trump staffers.
You must admit, your circles are very selective.

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Reply #42 - 07/05/19 at 12:15:41
 

"Actually Eegore, this is the response in question:"

 Yeah I thought I was missing something there.

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Reply #43 - 07/05/19 at 12:22:45
 
"And speaking for myself (others can answer for themselves) the attention directed your way is proportional to the unanswered question if you're really as ignorant as you portray yourself. I see and talk to dozens of people every week (when I'm not laid up with a concussion anyway!) from all walks of life and in all income levels. Everyone talks politics and religion at dinner. No one is as obtuse to the reality of the world around them as you are. "

 A ton of people have similar viewpoints as TT in my experience.  

 For instance people continually ignore that he states very clearly Antifa is anti-fascist and can do so without violence, yet people continually relate violent Antifa actions to the non-violent concept TT supports.  He doesn't support violent Antifa, just as it could be safe to assume Ray doesn't support abortion clinic bombings with staff inside.  

 As with a number of issues discussed here only selected phrases, articles, data etc. are used and not posts in their entirety.  When "the media" does it it's Fake News, but if we do it that's all good.
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Reply #44 - 07/05/19 at 12:46:01
 
WebsterMark wrote on 07/05/19 at 10:48:53:
Keep your eye on what's really going on for once.

You mean like an outstanding economy? Outstanding optimism in the business community? Wage growth? Great unemployment numbers? Lower taxes? Sure, I'll keep my eyes on that.



Funny, even though our economy is indeed doing good, trump's numbers are in the toilet.

Keep your eye on that.
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