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Reply #15 - 06/30/19 at 20:43:19
 
 Antifa isn't an official organization.  What Antifa website are you seeing?

 I googled "Antifa Website" and got several matches.  Do you consider Torch to be the "Official Antifa"?  There are several Antifa groups.  No website represents them all, just like one church website doesn't represent all churches.

https://refusefascism.org/
https://torchantifa.org/
https://www.facebook.com/antifaintl/
https://nycantifa.wordpress.com/
https://antifascistnetwork.org/
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Reply #16 - 07/02/19 at 16:21:43
 

 Does anyone know if Antifa has an official central organization?

 Is there an official website for Antifa in the US?
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Reply #17 - 07/02/19 at 16:24:29
 
Eegore wrote on 07/02/19 at 16:21:43:
 Does anyone know if Antifa has an official central organization?

 Is there an official website for Antifa in the US?


I don't believe so.  It's an ideology, not an official organization.

The Antifa movement has been around for decades.
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Reply #18 - 07/02/19 at 19:02:36
 
T And T Garage wrote on 07/02/19 at 16:24:29:
I don't believe so.  It's an ideology, not an official organization.



Then how come these Marxist clowns always know when and where to show up?  They don't have a headquarters, but they are organized.

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Reply #19 - 07/02/19 at 19:42:43
 

"Then how come these Marxist clowns always know when and where to show up?"

 Internet and cellphones.  Pretty much every public event is online in some way or another.

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Reply #20 - 07/02/19 at 21:06:34
 
pg wrote on 07/02/19 at 19:02:36:
T And T Garage wrote on 07/02/19 at 16:24:29:
I don't believe so.  It's an ideology, not an official organization.



Then how come these Marxist clowns always know when and where to show up?  They don't have a headquarters, but they are organized.

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The same way the idiot white nationalists gathered in Charlottesville.  If those idiots can, then anyone can.


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Reply #21 - 07/03/19 at 03:54:10
 
T And T Garage wrote on 07/02/19 at 21:06:34:
pg wrote on 07/02/19 at 19:02:36:
T And T Garage wrote on 07/02/19 at 16:24:29:
I don't believe so.  It's an ideology, not an official organization.



Then how come these Marxist clowns always know when and where to show up?  They don't have a headquarters, but they are organized.

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The same way the idiot white nationalists gathered in Charlottesville.  If those idiots can, then anyone can.



I thought you didn't like "whataboutisms"......  I suppose only when it supports your narrative.  I'm not the one who supports Antifa, their tactics, and their values.  Their is no fascism in this country and Bot even said "The definition of fascism has broadened over time to basically apply to someone in power that you don't like."  These people harrass, intimidate, and assult their political opponents.  

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Reply #22 - 07/03/19 at 05:24:46
 
AntiFa is a fascist, anti-American organization rapidly closing in as an acceptable subgroup of the modern Leftist Democratic Party. They will continue unless strong willed politicians on the Left take measures against them using police force. (The mayor of Portland is a disgrace.)They are made up of mostly white, surburban raised males and resemble European soccer holligans more than anything else. Or perhaps closer would be Brad Pitt's character and The Army of the 12 Monkeys.

A Leftist Mob Attacked Me in Portland
WSJ ^ | July 2, 2019 7:22 pm ET | Andy Ngo
Posted on 7/3/2019, 6:25:50 AM by Freeport

Portland, Ore.

‘No hate! No fear!” chanted the left-wing crowd as they marched downtown Saturday. I walked to the front of the line to record the protesters with my new GoPro camera when I was suddenly slammed on the back of my head with something hard. Dazed and still hearing faint chants of “no hate,” I was then punched and kicked by perhaps a dozen masked people in black. At an Antifa event meant to resist “fascist violence,” I—a gay journalist of color—was beaten so badly that I was hospitalized for a brain hemorrhage.

Since last year, I have been targeted by Antifa and its allies for my critical coverage of their violent extremism. I’ve reported those incidents to the Portland Police Bureau, and in some cases I’ve identified suspects, but there were no arrests. The mainstream media describe Antifa as “antifascist,” but in fact it is a far-left paramilitary-style movement of anarchists and communists agitating for a revolution.

Antifa is known for wearing black and concealing faces with masks to commit crimes under the protection of group anonymity. The Homeland Security Department has described some of Antifa’s activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” but Portland recently voted to withdraw from the Joint Terrorism Task Force, citing concerns the Federal Bureau of Investigation targeted left-wing activists.

On June 29, Antifa organized a milkshake-themed counterprotest against two small right-wing groups. The event was inspired by the new practice—a British import—of throwing milkshakes on conservative or right-wing figures. Vox.com’s Carlos Maza encouraged such assaults in a May tweet: “Milkshake them all. Humiliate them at every turn. Make them dread public organizing.”
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Reply #23 - 07/03/19 at 05:56:01
 
pg wrote on 07/03/19 at 03:54:10:
T And T Garage wrote on 07/02/19 at 21:06:34:
pg wrote on 07/02/19 at 19:02:36:
T And T Garage wrote on 07/02/19 at 16:24:29:
I don't believe so.  It's an ideology, not an official organization.



Then how come these Marxist clowns always know when and where to show up?  They don't have a headquarters, but they are organized.

Best regards,



The same way the idiot white nationalists gathered in Charlottesville.  If those idiots can, then anyone can.



I thought you didn't like "whataboutisms"......  

What I posted wasn't a "whataboutism" it was a comparison of how groups gather.  You asked how and I used the moronic white supremacists as an example.  Are you offended that I called them idiots?

I suppose only when it supports your narrative.  I'm not the one who supports Antifa, their tactics, and their values.  

Well pro golfer, I'm not sure how many times I have to say this, but - I don't support the violence that accompanies some of their protests, but I support the message of ant-fascism.  Are you clear on that?

Their is no fascism in this country and Bot even said "The definition of fascism has broadened over time to basically apply to someone in power that you don't like."  These people harrass, intimidate, and assult their political opponents.  

Oh, I think there's plenty of fascism in this country.  There's plenty to be concerned about.

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Reply #24 - 07/03/19 at 05:56:33
 
 I grew up next to an elderly Jewish couple and for years twice a month one of my family drove them downtown to an Antifa meeting and their group never once committed an act of violence that I am aware of.

 Antifa has been around for a while, but is not in its entirety violent.

 Its easy to reference violent Antifa activities these days as it has a strong social media culture, and as such will expand as long as people complain instead of getting involved.

 My issue is that Antifa has too many varying degrees of activity in too many geographical areas to, in my mind, meet the definition of a nationally organized group.  There is no national board/council/leadership etc. instead they spread and organize in the same way dating apps, Uber and similar entities work.

As this thread indicates, anyone claiming Antifa involvement can say anything and it is reliably trusted since there is no single national source to verify.  Literally anyone could post "Antifa is going to the moon" and there is no governing body to verify that with.
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Reply #25 - 07/03/19 at 06:02:57
 
WebsterMark wrote on 07/03/19 at 05:24:46:
AntiFa is a fascist, anti-American organization rapidly closing in as an acceptable subgroup of the modern Leftist Democratic Party.

Well mark, that's a lie.  Show me one democratic public official that condones the kind of violence we've seen lately from these people that label themselves atifa and commit these acts of violence.

You won't find any.


They will continue unless strong willed politicians on the Left take measures against them using police force. (The mayor of Portland is a disgrace.)They are made up of mostly white, surburban raised males and resemble European soccer holligans more than anything else. Or perhaps closer would be Brad Pitt's character and The Army of the 12 Monkeys.

A Leftist Mob Attacked Me in Portland
WSJ ^ | July 2, 2019 7:22 pm ET | Andy Ngo
Posted on 7/3/2019, 6:25:50 AM by Freeport

Portland, Ore.

‘No hate! No fear!” chanted the left-wing crowd as they marched downtown Saturday. I walked to the front of the line to record the protesters with my new GoPro camera when I was suddenly slammed on the back of my head with something hard. Dazed and still hearing faint chants of “no hate,” I was then punched and kicked by perhaps a dozen masked people in black. At an Antifa event meant to resist “fascist violence,” I—a gay journalist of color—was beaten so badly that I was hospitalized for a brain hemorrhage.

Since last year, I have been targeted by Antifa and its allies for my critical coverage of their violent extremism. I’ve reported those incidents to the Portland Police Bureau, and in some cases I’ve identified suspects, but there were no arrests. The mainstream media describe Antifa as “antifascist,” but in fact it is a far-left paramilitary-style movement of anarchists and communists agitating for a revolution.

Antifa is known for wearing black and concealing faces with masks to commit crimes under the protection of group anonymity. The Homeland Security Department has described some of Antifa’s activities as “domestic terrorist violence,” but Portland recently voted to withdraw from the Joint Terrorism Task Force, citing concerns the Federal Bureau of Investigation targeted left-wing activists.

On June 29, Antifa organized a milkshake-themed counterprotest against two small right-wing groups. The event was inspired by the new practice—a British import—of throwing milkshakes on conservative or right-wing figures. Vox.com’s Carlos Maza encouraged such assaults in a May tweet: “Milkshake them all. Humiliate them at every turn. Make them dread public organizing.”

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Reply #26 - 07/03/19 at 06:53:22
 
They are turning into your brown shirts. Your happiness at tactics such ad milkshakes and chasing families out of restaurants is growing. This is on you.
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Reply #27 - 07/03/19 at 07:55:54
 
WebsterMark wrote on 07/03/19 at 06:53:22:
They are turning into your brown shirts. Your happiness at tactics such ad milkshakes and chasing families out of restaurants is growing. This is on you.


Again, show me one democrat that condones these outbursts of antifa violence.

Also, show me where I express happiness about this abuse.

Lastly, you're right, this is indeed on me.  As it is on you and everyone else.

I don't deny the violence in far too many confrontations between antifa identified people and groups like the proud boys.  Far too many on the right simply point at the people in masks calling themselves antifa and ignore that the far right is equally, and in many cases, far more violent.

To say it's only one-sided is ignorant.
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Reply #28 - 07/03/19 at 08:22:21
 
The silence of the MSM and a few half hearted comments from leading Democrats reveals whose side they're on.

When Trump condemned white nationalist, you and others lied saying he did not. The whole "fine people on both sides" lie. Even the leading Presidential Candidate Biden repeated this lie in his announcement with no objections.

No, your attempts to plant the seed of moral equivalency are not valid. Think at the outrage directed towards one young teenage boy's smile towards an activist Indian beating a drum compared to the muted responses  to violent attacks which were frankly a natural consequence to your demand for public confrontations. I recall you were thrilled with the idea of milkshake attacks.

You will find yourself in one of these crowds, perhaps sooner rather than later. At that point, you'll confront the leftist socialist's natural pull towards force to impose your views and punishment towards those who resist.

Tell me, would you join a crowd in a restaurant chanting until Ted Cruz and his wife left? Would you stand outside Tucker Carlson's house shouting profanity at anyone inside?
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Reply #29 - 07/03/19 at 08:49:41
 
WebsterMark wrote on 07/03/19 at 08:22:21:
When Trump condemned white nationalist, you and others lied saying he did not. The whole "fine people on both sides" lie. Even the leading Presidential Candidate Biden repeated this lie in his announcement with no objections.  

Trump back pedaled the next day, after public outrage, ... but he did say it.
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