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No future for Socialism
06/29/19 at 09:52:59
 
https://youtu.be/iptLrk8Ikmg

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Historical precedent bears it out too.
Socialism will destroy us. Just say no
F**k NO!

Also that Sowell book is an excellent read. A good look at the harsh facts of life people don't want to discuss anymore.
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Reply #1 - 06/29/19 at 14:43:16
 
The left would call Sowell a Nazi if he weren't black; actually, they probably still do......

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Reply #2 - 06/30/19 at 09:37:10
 
Grin

Yes I'm sure he's a giant monkey wrench in their ideological gears.
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Reply #3 - 06/30/19 at 16:09:36
 
philthymike wrote on 06/30/19 at 09:37:10:
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Yes I'm sure he's a giant monkey wrench in their ideological gears.


Not really, not anymore than Trump being the only witness to Christianity.
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Reply #4 - 07/01/19 at 06:58:54
 
Thanks mike, but I'm good with the likes of AOC, Sanders,Warren, etc.

IMHO, your fear is unjustified and overblown.

We've always had a blended structure in this country.  Socialism is merely one part of it.  Sadly, it's become too small a part when you have corporations controlling our political system with unlimited money.

There's a reason that the middle class has less and the top 1% hold so much of the wealth in the country (and it ain't socialism).
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Reply #5 - 07/01/19 at 09:31:44
 
T And T Garage wrote on 07/01/19 at 06:58:54:
I'm good with the likes of AOC, Sanders,Warren, etc.

Ya forgot, a mentor of yours, Cenk Uygur.

Again, you confirm, you are a 1-5%er,
(Which most people believe that extreme Leftism.
Describes a Fairy Dust Sprinkling Socialist)

By being, "...good with the likes of AOC, Sanders,Warren..."

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Reply #6 - 07/01/19 at 09:39:30
 
MnSpring wrote on 07/01/19 at 09:31:44:
T And T Garage wrote on 07/01/19 at 06:58:54:
I'm good with the likes of AOC, Sanders,Warren, etc.

Ya forgot, a mentor of yours, Cenk Uygur.

Well mn - Cenk is not an elected official.  But I do indeed admire him.

Again, you confirm, you are a 1-5%er,
(Which most people believe that extreme Leftism.
Describes a Fairy Dust Sprinkling Socialist)

By being, "...good with the likes of AOC, Sanders,Warren..."

No, you said I was and I said I'm good with that.  However you want to label me is in your mind.  I have no control over what goes on in your mind, so do your best.

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Reply #7 - 07/02/19 at 16:01:44
 
T And T Garage wrote on 07/01/19 at 06:58:54:
Thanks mike, but I'm good with the likes of AOC, Sanders,Warren, etc.

IMHO, your fear is unjustified and overblown.


There's a reason that the middle class has less and the top 1% hold so much of the wealth in the country (and it ain't socialism).


I don't fear anything. Especially socialism. The left is already fractured donw the middle with Muslim/Jewish paradox and leftists eat their own so no fear of them succeeding at anything.
They'll drown in their contradictions.

You really need to read Sowells book. And stop throwing out silly comments about the middle class and the 1% as though you're economically schooled. Sowell crunches the numbers for real so if you want some actual real insight into the financial problems of the world he's your man. He knows the real reasons. And proves them.

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Reply #8 - 07/02/19 at 16:11:40
 
I thought I'd share my favorite quote from Thomas Sowells new book.
Regarding Social justice....

"On a sinking ship with not enough life preservers for all of the passengers the only truly just solution is that everyone drowns."

It's the cold truth too. Or maybe the cold wet truth.  Cheesy
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Reply #9 - 07/02/19 at 16:13:18
 
philthymike wrote on 07/02/19 at 16:01:44:
T And T Garage wrote on 07/01/19 at 06:58:54:
Thanks mike, but I'm good with the likes of AOC, Sanders,Warren, etc.

IMHO, your fear is unjustified and overblown.


There's a reason that the middle class has less and the top 1% hold so much of the wealth in the country (and it ain't socialism).


I don't fear anything. Especially socialism. The left is already fractured donw the middle with Muslim/Jewish paradox and leftists eat their own so no fear of them succeeding at anything.
They'll drown in their contradictions.

Interesting take - completely wrong - but interesting.  There is no "Muslim/Jewish paradox" - there is a progressive/establishment divide however.  That, as we can see, is being won by the progressives - thankfully.

You really need to read Sowells book. And stop throwing out silly comments about the middle class and the 1% as though you're economically schooled.

Um, mike, you don't know me.  Don't assume, m'kay?  The facts are - the 1% now retain almost 40% of the nation's wealth.

When you compare middle class incomes with those in the top 10% - it's laughable.


Sowell crunches the numbers for real so if you want some actual real insight into the financial problems of the world he's your man. He knows the real reasons. And proves them.


Thanks for the suggestion, but from what I know of Sowell, I'll be fine without him.
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Reply #10 - 07/05/19 at 12:23:29
 
An valid point of Sowells is the moving target dynamics of so called income brackets. The year before last I was working and pulling in over $100k/yr. Then last year I was unemployed the entire year. This year I'm back to work earning whatever I currently earn. If you look at the household income during this period you see that my spouse and I had a very large combined income. Enough to put us in a high income bracket. But then when I was out of work even though I was impoverished my spouse's income kept the household income from dropping to poverty level. But during that year she went into heavy dept trying to keep the ship afloat without my income. This year we have both been paying so much of that back debt we're both living at near poverty levels even though our household income is much higher.
So which income bracket are we in now? Which were we in before? If my sister decides to move in with us later in the year which bracket then?

Now what if I suddenly inherited 200 million bucks (I wish). Then which bracket? And then after two years and I've spent all the inheritance on hookers and coke then what bracket am I considering I'd be unemployable due to the drug habit?

Who's middle class today? Who's still middle class next year? Same for the 1% which has the highest rate of transients than all lower income brackets. More people become 1% and drop out again at a rate 10 times higher than people transition between lower income levels and spend much less time in that level as well.

This is very important. Especially if you want to point fingers at some groups of people defined by abstract statistical analysis on static models which more often than not fail to differentiate between household and individual income. Fail to account for debts and windfalls and never seem to track the same sets of individuals over a span of several years.

Sowells book explains all of these factors in vigorous detail. Points out how fallacious most income statistics are and goes to great lengths to explain why. And how these statistics are misused sometimes for political ends by both parties.

As for the wealthy oneers. Who do you think invents all of today's popular leftist moral crusade rhetoric? The ivory tower academic intelligencia from their gated community estates with horse stables and private golf courses. Why have they pulled the wool over your eyes so badly? Because they are playing the same game wealthy plantation owners in pioneering America did to prevent the African slaves and white indentured servants from joining together against them. Keep them fighting each other. Which is the same game backs in the middle ages the lords and landowners played against the serfs and peons. And that's the same game that the Romans used to keep their occupied territories under their heels.

This crap today is another chapter of a book that stretches back to the dawn of written language. It's freaking groundhog day forever. The true legacy of the human race.

Left. Right. Bull. Crap.
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"This year we have both been paying so much of that back debt we're both living at near poverty levels even though our household income is much higher.
So which income bracket are we in now? Which were we in before? If my sister decides to move in with us later in the year which bracket then?"


 Isnt by definition "income" bracket only calculating money you acquire?

 How it's spent is not part of an income bracket evaluation.  Getting $200 million and spending it in a month doesn't mean you didn't get $200 million.

 For instance if you made $100k and had $150k in medical bills you would be 50k in debt, but still be in the 100k "income" bracket.
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Reply #12 - 07/06/19 at 07:47:24
 
Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.
Thomas Sowell.

For your questions I recommend Wealth, Poverty and Politics: An International Perspective.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-465-09676-3

For an illuminating look at why life is so unfair I recommend Discrimination and Disparities.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-1-541-64560-8

Last but not least Intellectuals and Society. For a deep understanding about the history of Liberal Intelligencia's tragic failures and why despite those failures they are still rehashing the same fatally flawed idiotic ideologies now and most importantly what they gain from doing so. If you need it spelled out as to how wrong these ideological crusades are, have been and the toll societies around the world throughout history have suffered because of them, this books for you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectuals_and_Society
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Reply #13 - 07/06/19 at 08:34:20
 
philthymike wrote on 07/06/19 at 07:47:24:
Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.
Thomas Sowell.

For your questions I recommend Wealth, Poverty and Politics: An International Perspective.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-0-465-09676-3

For an illuminating look at why life is so unfair I recommend Discrimination and Disparities.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:BookSources/978-1-541-64560-8

Last but not least Intellectuals and Society. For a deep understanding about the history of Liberal Intelligencia's tragic failures and why despite those failures they are still rehashing the same fatally flawed idiotic ideologies now and most importantly what they gain from doing so. If you need it spelled out as to how wrong these ideological crusades are, have been and the toll societies around the world throughout history have suffered because of them, this books for you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectuals_and_Society



The first 2 links don't work - kinda like the ideology you posses.

No one is proposing pure socialism.  It's a mixed economy that's being proposed.  Much like Nordic countries.  Practicing mostly free market economics paired with high taxes exchanged for generous government entitlement programs.
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Reply #14 - 07/06/19 at 10:01:02
 
T And T Garage wrote on 07/06/19 at 08:34:20:
The first 2 links don't work -
kinda like the ideology you posses.

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