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thumperclone Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline PGR rider riding with respect Posts: 6085 Grand Junction Colorado Gender:	Re: Muh Values Reply #60 - 06/29/19 at 14:24:36 why can not a person love who they wish there's not enough love in this world to begin with
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Reply #61 - 06/29/19 at 14:36:24

thumperclone wrote on 06/29/19 at 14:24:36:

why can not a person love who they wish
there's not enough love in this world to begin with

I have no issue with your statement. I do however have an issue when protected classes receive privileges and they affect the rights of others. e.g. bathrooms, athletic competitions, and Warren with her reparations.

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Reply #62 - 06/29/19 at 15:04:47

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:30:20:

MnSpring wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:11:50:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 05:37:30:

To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Harassment, should not be called, 'Protests',
As when a, 'Protest', Destroys property, Cuts fences, Blocks traffic, shouts obscenities at people not caring the same sign.

The tt, SPINS, calling, Harassment, a, 'protest'.

The fact is mn, protests are not harassment. Again, facts don't care that you don't like them.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/quillette-editor-violently-attacked-...

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8348	Re: Muh Values Reply #63 - 06/29/19 at 16:06:58 "Kinda like this forum, A group of people can call a politician absolutely anything they want, and one person call a politician one thing, and the feces hits the fan. All because of, 'political', orientation." My understanding is Trump can not be called a C.ock Holster. Nobody can. Nobody. Not just AOC. Nobody.
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9354 Minn Gender:	Re: Muh Values Reply #64 - 06/29/19 at 16:17:49 Eegore wrote on 06/29/19 at 16:06:58: My understanding is Trump can not be called a C.ock Holster. Why not. Members here, (Plural), have referred to the POTUS, as sucking, or having a particular body part, sucked. It was sure OK then, so what has changed ?
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Reply #65 - 06/29/19 at 18:43:16

pg wrote on 06/29/19 at 15:04:47:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:30:20:

MnSpring wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:11:50:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 05:37:30:

To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Harassment, should not be called, 'Protests',
As when a, 'Protest', Destroys property, Cuts fences, Blocks traffic, shouts obscenities at people not caring the same sign.

The tt, SPINS, calling, Harassment, a, 'protest'.

The fact is mn, protests are not harassment. Again, facts don't care that you don't like them.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/quillette-editor-violently-attacked-...

Best regards,

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/portland-police-milkshakes-thrown-by...

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8348	Re: Muh Values Reply #66 - 06/29/19 at 19:43:50 "It was sure OK then, so what has changed ?" It was established that it would no longer be allowed.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Muh Values Reply #67 - 06/29/19 at 21:31:56 Trump is a living, breathing, stable genius c ockholster. If it doesn't work, then I'll know.
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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9354 Minn Gender:	Re: Muh Values Reply #68 - 06/30/19 at 14:23:18 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/29/19 at 21:31:56: Trump is a living, breathing, stable genius c ockholster. If it doesn't work, then I'll know. OMG, you said a, 'bad' word. (Which did not become bad, until . . . )
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Reply #69 - 06/30/19 at 14:30:40

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:30:20:

The fact is mn, protests are not harassment.

NPR, a UL Favorite, headlined this:
“Black Lives Matter holds peaceful protest at marathon"

Did you catch that word, peaceful, ‘Protest’.

Then later called it, “protesters demonstrated as planned”

Of course the one sided, ’news’ despite the BLM’s promise to keep off race course, completely downplayed, the: “Nevertheless the Black Lives Matter group continued on their way, blocking traffic”

And no mention of the weeks before, where the BLM terrified everybody competing in the race, and the spectators.
By saying they WERE going to STOP the race.

And if squads of police were not their, to protect,
BLM would have done lots more.
Some, that is SOME, protests are protests.
Most protests, turn into harassment, and riots.

But that’s OK, tt says, a ‘protest’ is NOT ‘harassment’.
Just repeating what C.U says.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2015/10/05/blm-protest-marathon

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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Muh Values Reply #70 - 06/30/19 at 15:06:02 Seems like I remember hearing,, It's none of anybody's Business what I do in my bedroom... I agree Fine, do what YOU want. Quit making it a public issue.
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Reply #71 - 07/01/19 at 06:23:36

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 14:46:08:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 14:18:39:

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 13:00:50:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 12:25:24:

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 12:07:50:

We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

Wait, so let me get this straight... you and your conservative buds can say all you want about the "terrible liberals", but we can't protest against the a$$holes on the right?

How many rocks do you have in your glass house vers?

There you go again, taking a discussion about one thing and making it into another.

But I guess you can because you don't understand the difference between harassment and protest.

OK then vers - tell me - how does the left "suppress" those that oppose them?

How are we taking away your right to speak? How are we taking away your right to work? How are protests taking away your freedom?

The way I see it, protest is just that - protest.

You know, kinda like those guys did in Charlottesville with tiki torches - remember?

The same way that Dr. King marched in Selma.

How are we taking away your right to speak?
By instigating violence - like the right has done on many occasions - OK....
How are we taking away your right to work?
By hunting down opposition protesters and harassing their workplace. - like abortion clinic protests and bombings - OK...
How are protests taking away your freedom?
By preventing opposition rallies. - I see no stopping them. In fact, white supremacists have been on a roll lately.

those guys did in Charlottesville with tiki torches, are you saying those broke up their own rally? Or that they broke up the counter protest by returning the rocks thrown at them?

Oh, so you were there? You saw that happen? It was the counter-protesters that started it? You sure? Yeah, guys with torches chanting about "Jews won't replace us" are the good guys though... right?

Selma, you know that was broken up by the government don't you?

Yes. Sadly, that was a different time (or so I thought). It's stupid that we have to rehash racism in 2019. By now, we as a country should be farther along than that.

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Reply #72 - 07/01/19 at 06:26:20

philthymike wrote on 06/28/19 at 15:36:16:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/27/19 at 18:25:11:

philthymike wrote on 06/27/19 at 16:35:48:

I have nothing against transgender people. Lived in a place full of them for awhile. What bothers me is that they are being used as pawns in the Marxist Socialist chess game to overthrow free market economy and democracy.

One of the key strategic targets of Socialism is the freedom of speech.
It's crucial that they erode that freedom to achieve their revolution.

How does socialism "erode" the First Amendment?

So the TG community serves that purpose by willingly being made into victims who's rights are demanded by social justice. In the eyes of social justice it's totally justifiable to take the rights of 99.999% of the population so that a 0.001% minority can think they have equality.

What do you mean "take the rights" - what rights are being taken? Further, you don't think that 100% of Americans deserve all the same rights?

How is recognizing a minority an infringement of those in the majority?

But really they don't give a crap about those people. The bigger objective is to take the freedom of speech away from the majority thereby starting tbe slippery slope that leads to book burnings and the book of Newspeak.

Seriously? Book burnings? A little extreme, don't you think? (well, I guess not, since you wrote it..)

Taking our speech away divides us in fundamentally powerful ways and a people divided are a weak people, just as Marx said.

Again, how do you think your freedom of speech being taken away?

16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies. Don't let it happen here.
Consider the safety of the TG community who in those countries arw now targets of even higher prejudice than before.

LOL - seriously? I'd love to see the proof of that.

I'm not a research assistant. Go Google the crap up on your own time if you're really actually interested.
And until you do your homework don't even try to grade mine.

There's much more in depth studies of this out there but this one makes my point rather handily. Jordan Peterson is discussing the recent transgender speech law for Canada bill c16 and explaining how it's been written so that people who don't follow it can be criminally charged with hate speech whatever that is.

https://youtu.be/s_UbmaZQx74

Now go look up the rest on your own. They're mostly the EU so it shouldn't take much work...

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Reply #73 - 07/01/19 at 06:47:14

Eegore wrote on 06/28/19 at 16:03:20:

"Peacefully, of course. Here's an example - say your congressman was pro-choice. Don't you think you have the right to protest him/her if you disagree?"

I do not.

Do you vote Eegore? I do. I'm also active in a few political groups. The very fact that we can protest our elected officials is one of the things that makes this country so great.

Let me be clear on the distinctions I try to make.

1. In this day and age - in my opinion - there is no room for racists. Be it nazis, white supremacists or whatever. We as a country should have been long past this by now.

2. As stated before - being a public official opens you up to ridicule. It's part of the job. That's pretty much every public job from DMV (everyone loves going there, right?) to crossing guard to judge. In my opinion, elected officials are even more open to it.

3. I'm not talking about private citizens' jobs.

So in the following you replied to a question:

"let's identify every white supremacist and get them fired" ... that's harassment."

Perhaps - but to me, that's justified. Would you hire a nazi??

How is attempting to remove a person's source of income "protest"?

That's my opinion, nothing more. I would feel the same way with a child pronographer (misspelled intentionally), or crack dealer or rapist.

In my opinion, a person with that type of mentality is damaging to our society.

Would you consider someone trying to take away your income by trying to have you removed from your job harassment?

If I did that because I don't like pro-choice, would you consider me to be "protesting" you, or "harassing" you?

Yes - and I see the point you're trying to make - but as I stated above, I'm not a public official. Further, in my business, I keep it professional.

To me, it is not a "protest" when the line between peaceable public expression is crossed and becomes a situation where anyone attempts to interfere with the personal or professional life of another beyond Peaceable Assembly. If someone was actively trying to stop me from having a job I would clearly consider that harassment.

That's you and about 99% of the US. But public officials aren't so insulated.

In fact, by my participation, I am actively trying to get our current president "fired" - and that's not harassment, that's our electoral system in action.

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Reply #74 - 07/01/19 at 06:52:50

pg wrote on 06/29/19 at 18:43:16:

pg wrote on 06/29/19 at 15:04:47:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:30:20:

MnSpring wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:11:50:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 05:37:30:

To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Harassment, should not be called, 'Protests',
As when a, 'Protest', Destroys property, Cuts fences, Blocks traffic, shouts obscenities at people not caring the same sign.

The tt, SPINS, calling, Harassment, a, 'protest'.

The fact is mn, protests are not harassment. Again, facts don't care that you don't like them.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/quillette-editor-violently-attacked-...

Best regards,

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/06/portland-police-milkshakes-thrown-by...

Best regards,

Sad that it turned violent. Glad that not all do.

Thanks for sharing pro golfer.

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