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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8348	Re: Muh Values Reply #30 - 06/28/19 at 09:26:50 What if the "protests" were called "Peaceable Assemblies" and were no longer considered that definition if they were no longer Peaceable? Similar to a protest becoming a riot. At some point the definition changes based off the actions and impact of the people involved.
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Reply #31 - 06/28/19 at 09:30:20

MnSpring wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:11:50:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 05:37:30:

To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Harassment, should not be called, 'Protests',
As when a, 'Protest', Destroys property, Cuts fences, Blocks traffic, shouts obscenities at people not caring the same sign.

The tt, SPINS, calling, Harassment, a, 'protest'.

The fact is mn, protests are not harassment. Again, facts don't care that you don't like them.

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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: Muh Values Reply #32 - 06/28/19 at 09:30:57 Eegore wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:26:50: What if the "protests" were called "Peaceable Assemblies" and were no longer considered that definition if they were no longer Peaceable? Similar to a protest becoming a riot. At some point the definition changes based off the actions and impact of the people involved. Good point Eegore.
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Reply #33 - 06/28/19 at 10:48:08

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:30:20:

MnSpring wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:11:50:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 05:37:30:

To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Harassment, should not be called, 'Protests',
As when a, 'Protest', Destroys property, Cuts fences, Blocks traffic, shouts obscenities at people not caring the same sign.

The tt, SPINS, calling, Harassment, a, 'protest'.

The fact is mn, protests are not harassment. Again, facts don't care that you don't like them.

When protests are directed at someone, then it's harassment.
"when you see someone on trumps staff" ... that's harassment.
"let's identify every white supremacist and get them fired" ... that's harassment.
These are the marching orders of Maxine Waters, the left and the UL.

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Reply #34 - 06/28/19 at 10:56:52

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 10:48:08:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:30:20:

MnSpring wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:11:50:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 05:37:30:

To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Harassment, should not be called, 'Protests',
As when a, 'Protest', Destroys property, Cuts fences, Blocks traffic, shouts obscenities at people not caring the same sign.

The tt, SPINS, calling, Harassment, a, 'protest'.

The fact is mn, protests are not harassment. Again, facts don't care that you don't like them.

When protests are directed at someone, then it's harassment.

Wait, so you harassed Obama? You do protest him, right?

"when you see someone on trumps staff" ... that's harassment.

Someone on his staff is fair game as well. Sorry, that's not harassment.

"let's identify every white supremacist and get them fired" ... that's harassment.

Perhaps - but to me, that's justified. Would you hire a nazi??

These are the marching orders of Maxine Waters, the left and the UL.

I see no problem protesting fascists, racists and the like. The real question is - why don't you?

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Re: Muh Values
Reply #35 - 06/28/19 at 12:07:50

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 10:56:52:

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 10:48:08:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:30:20:

MnSpring wrote on 06/28/19 at 09:11:50:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 05:37:30:

To be clear, protests are not harassment.

Harassment, should not be called, 'Protests',
As when a, 'Protest', Destroys property, Cuts fences, Blocks traffic, shouts obscenities at people not caring the same sign.

The tt, SPINS, calling, Harassment, a, 'protest'.

The fact is mn, protests are not harassment. Again, facts don't care that you don't like them.

When protests are directed at someone, then it's harassment.

Wait, so you harassed Obama? You do protest him, right?

"when you see someone on trumps staff" ... that's harassment.

Someone on his staff is fair game as well. Sorry, that's not harassment.

"let's identify every white supremacist and get them fired" ... that's harassment.

Perhaps - but to me, that's justified. Would you hire a nazi??

These are the marching orders of Maxine Waters, the left and the UL.

I see no problem protesting fascists, racists and the like. The real question is - why don't you?

We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

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Reply #36 - 06/28/19 at 12:23:10

"I see no problem protesting fascists, racists and the like. The real question is - why don't you?"

Because protesting and harassing are two different things.

It is not illegal to be a racist. It is not illegal to be a fascist. Those are facts that should not be ignored because one doesn't like it.

Going beyond peaceable assembly is harassment especially when involving yourself in another's personal or professional life. If the tables were turned and an ANTITOL (Anti-tolerance) group was trying to get you fired, that would be harassment.

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Reply #37 - 06/28/19 at 12:25:24

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 12:07:50:

We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

Wait, so let me get this straight... you and your conservative buds can say all you want about the "terrible liberals", but we can't protest against the a$$holes on the right?

How many rocks do you have in your glass house vers?

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Reply #38 - 06/28/19 at 12:28:57

Eegore wrote on 06/28/19 at 12:23:10:

"I see no problem protesting fascists, racists and the like. The real question is - why don't you?"

Because protesting and harassing are two different things.

It is not illegal to be a racist. It is not illegal to be a fascist. Those are facts that should not be ignored because one doesn't like it.

Going beyond peaceable assembly is harassment especially when involving yourself in another's personal or professional life. If the tables were turned and an ANTITOL (Anti-tolerance) group was trying to get you fired, that would be harassment.

I stand by my ideals. I would not hire a nazi, nor welcome one in my house.

But like all situations, there are degrees of difference.

I would not fire someone who I found out was a trump supporter - just as I would not keep a shiftless employee on even though we had the same views.

As to the office of the president and his staff (and any politician) - they are public servants and not immune to being protested.

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Re: Muh Values
Reply #39 - 06/28/19 at 13:00:50

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 12:25:24:

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 12:07:50:

We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

Wait, so let me get this straight... you and your conservative buds can say all you want about the "terrible liberals", but we can't protest against the a$$holes on the right?

How many rocks do you have in your glass house vers?

There you go again, taking a discussion about one thing and making it into another.

But I guess you can because you don't understand the difference between harassment and protest.

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Reply #40 - 06/28/19 at 13:13:36

"they are public servants and not immune to being protested."

Protested as in peaceful assembly, or protested as in harassment?

At what point does being a public servant mean one should have people in their personal lives trying to alter their personal and professional potential? It isn't illegal to be a Trump staffer so none of their rights should be restricted or infringed upon in any capacity.

Being a Trump staffer shouldn't mean they can't eat at a restaurant because of a "protest", or drive in public, shop, visit family etc.

Is it ok for an ANTICOP group to follow law enforcement officers because they are public servants as long as they call it protesting?

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Reply #41 - 06/28/19 at 14:18:39

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 13:00:50:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 12:25:24:

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 12:07:50:

We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

Wait, so let me get this straight... you and your conservative buds can say all you want about the "terrible liberals", but we can't protest against the a$$holes on the right?

How many rocks do you have in your glass house vers?

There you go again, taking a discussion about one thing and making it into another.

But I guess you can because you don't understand the difference between harassment and protest.

OK then vers - tell me - how does the left "suppress" those that oppose them?

How are we taking away your right to speak? How are we taking away your right to work? How are protests taking away your freedom?

The way I see it, protest is just that - protest.

You know, kinda like those guys did in Charlottesville with tiki torches - remember?

The same way that Dr. King marched in Selma.

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Reply #42 - 06/28/19 at 14:30:03

Eegore wrote on 06/28/19 at 13:13:36:

"they are public servants and not immune to being protested."

Protested as in peaceful assembly, or protested as in harassment?

At what point does being a public servant mean one should have people in their personal lives trying to alter their personal and professional potential?

Peacefully, of course. Here's an example - say your congressman was pro-choice. Don't you think you have the right to protest him/her if you disagree?

Look at all the righties outside the democratic debate last night. They protest... whatever they thought was worthy of protest. Was that harrassment? I don't think so.

A public servant answers to their constituents, don't they? Obviously I didn't vote for trump - but like it or not, he works for me, not the other way around (just like anyone in public office). I have the right - actually, the responsibility - to let them know how they are doing.

It isn't illegal to be a Trump staffer so none of their rights should be restricted or infringed upon in any capacity.

Very true - just as it's not illegal to be a bleeding heart liberal or nazi or pastafarian... I'm not talking about taking away their rights. But if I can protest against, say, roger ailes or harvey weinstein, then what sets trump's cabinet apart?

Being a Trump staffer shouldn't mean they can't eat at a restaurant because of a "protest", or drive in public, shop, visit family etc.

This is true. Protests like that are in poor taste and I don't condone it. However, they are public figures and like it or not, they are subject to ridicule.

Is it ok for an ANTICOP group to follow law enforcement officers because they are public servants as long as they call it protesting?

As long as they didn't get in the way of them doing their job, then yes. not a great decision, but...

Is it right for the westboro church to do what it does? No. Is it legal? Yes.

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Reply #43 - 06/28/19 at 14:46:08

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 14:18:39:

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 13:00:50:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 12:25:24:

verslagen1 wrote on 06/28/19 at 12:07:50:

We're not talking about protesting fascists, racists and the like. We're talking about harassment and what the fascist left will stop at nothing to suppress all those that opposes them. No free speech, No right to work, No right to freedom.

Wait, so let me get this straight... you and your conservative buds can say all you want about the "terrible liberals", but we can't protest against the a$$holes on the right?

How many rocks do you have in your glass house vers?

There you go again, taking a discussion about one thing and making it into another.

But I guess you can because you don't understand the difference between harassment and protest.

OK then vers - tell me - how does the left "suppress" those that oppose them?

How are we taking away your right to speak? How are we taking away your right to work? How are protests taking away your freedom?

The way I see it, protest is just that - protest.

You know, kinda like those guys did in Charlottesville with tiki torches - remember?

The same way that Dr. King marched in Selma.

How are we taking away your right to speak?
By instigating violence
How are we taking away your right to work?
By hunting down opposition protesters and harassing their workplace.
How are protests taking away your freedom?
By preventing opposition rallies.

those guys did in Charlottesville with tiki torches, are you saying those broke up their own rally? Or that they broke up the counter protest by returning the rocks thrown at them?

Selma, you know that was broken up by the government don't you?

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Reply #44 - 06/28/19 at 15:36:16

T And T Garage wrote on 06/27/19 at 18:25:11:

philthymike wrote on 06/27/19 at 16:35:48:

I have nothing against transgender people. Lived in a place full of them for awhile. What bothers me is that they are being used as pawns in the Marxist Socialist chess game to overthrow free market economy and democracy.

One of the key strategic targets of Socialism is the freedom of speech.
It's crucial that they erode that freedom to achieve their revolution.

How does socialism "erode" the First Amendment?

So the TG community serves that purpose by willingly being made into victims who's rights are demanded by social justice. In the eyes of social justice it's totally justifiable to take the rights of 99.999% of the population so that a 0.001% minority can think they have equality.

How is recognizing a minority an infringement of those in the majority?

But really they don't give a crap about those people. The bigger objective is to take the freedom of speech away from the majority thereby starting tbe slippery slope that leads to book burnings and the book of Newspeak.

Seriously? Book burnings? A little extreme, don't you think? (well, I guess not, since you wrote it..)

Taking our speech away divides us in fundamentally powerful ways and a people divided are a weak people, just as Marx said.

Again, how do you think your freedom of speech being taken away?

16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies. Don't let it happen here.
Consider the safety of the TG community who in those countries arw now targets of even higher prejudice than before.

LOL - seriously? I'd love to see the proof of that.

I'm not a research assistant. Go Google the crap up on your own time if you're really actually interested.
And until you do your homework don't even try to grade mine.

There's much more in depth studies of this out there but this one makes my point rather handily. Jordan Peterson is discussing the recent transgender speech law for Canada bill c16 and explaining how it's been written so that people who don't follow it can be criminally charged with hate speech whatever that is.

https://youtu.be/s_UbmaZQx74

Now go look up the rest on your own. They're mostly the EU so it shouldn't take much work...

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