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Re: Muh Values
Reply #15 - 06/27/19 at 06:03:42

pg wrote on 06/26/19 at 19:49:31:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/26/19 at 16:09:16:

Anytime an innocent person is hurt or put in harm's way.

Just as long as it is a conservative getting put in harms way, that is alright... The ends justify the means for Antifa, don't they.....

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Not sure how many times I have to say it - I don't condone the violence that some ANTIFA members partake in - but I do support the idea of being anti-fascist.

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Re: Muh Values
Reply #16 - 06/27/19 at 09:10:11

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/26/19 at 18:11:14:

Eegore wrote on 06/26/19 at 15:55:37:

I don't feel it is any more rational than saying that if a guy asks you to refer to him as a woman, you would "kick the ignrant sumbich in the nuts"

Assaulting the mentally ill somehow makes sense and is acceptable? It doesn't seem there is a way to have a logical conversation about the topic at this time.

While it is possible that would demonstrate for him he REALLY is a he, and that looks like something I would say,
That is NOT what I JUST said, yet, rather than address what I Did JUST say, you're running and hiding from what I said, in the post above.
You're the one refusing to have a conversation, because I stated my position in a way you can't argue with, so, dig up last , irrelevant statements and pretend you have not been given the opportunity to argue your point.
I don't blame any of you.
I just burned your whole position down.

AND
You ADMITTED they are mentally ill.
Good for you.
Now, admit that bowing to their twisted thinking is hurting SOCIETY and THEM.

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Re: Muh Values
Reply #17 - 06/27/19 at 10:40:58

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/27/19 at 09:10:11:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 06/26/19 at 18:11:14:

Eegore wrote on 06/26/19 at 15:55:37:

I don't feel it is any more rational than saying that if a guy asks you to refer to him as a woman, you would "kick the ignrant sumbich in the nuts"

Assaulting the mentally ill somehow makes sense and is acceptable? It doesn't seem there is a way to have a logical conversation about the topic at this time.

While it is possible that would demonstrate for him he REALLY is a he, and that looks like something I would say,
That is NOT what I JUST said, yet, rather than address what I Did JUST say, you're running and hiding from what I said, in the post above.
You're the one refusing to have a conversation, because I stated my position in a way you can't argue with, so, dig up last , irrelevant statements and pretend you have not been given the opportunity to argue your point.
I don't blame any of you.
I just burned your whole position down.

AND
You ADMITTED they are mentally ill.
Good for you.
Now, admit that bowing to their twisted thinking is hurting SOCIETY and THEM.

Did you not read Eegore's response?
http://suzukisavage.com/cgi-bin/YaBB.pl?num=1560790502/14#14

I wonder jog - why are you so threatened by these people? What have they done to you?

Do you think they're trying to "turn" everyone?

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Reply #18 - 06/27/19 at 11:53:56

T And T Garage wrote on 06/27/19 at 10:40:58:

- why are you so threatened by these people? What have they done to you?

Can you tell us why,
YOU, are so threatened by people that know, understand, and apply Freedom.
Especially when it comes to the 2nd.
Tell us all, why, YOU, are so afraid of someone using a device.
A device that YOU want to ban, or severally restrict freedom to own.

No SPIN, or deflection allowed. !!!!!!
The, 'mass' shooting/s is/are done by a sick DFI,
NOT, the NRA,
Not the manufacture,
Not the legal buyer/collector/owner/user.
And the, '...What have they done to you...',
Is it the car, that did something to you,
or the driver behind the wheel ?
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,

Just like it's, NOT, a male, dressed like a woman going into a woman's bathroom. (Most would say what a ugly woman)
It is the, Socialist (past Pres), that said.
Men have the right to go into a ladies bathroom, all they have to say is they, 'identify' as a woman.
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,

So when the media, and elected people, place the thing that was once called 'Bruce' Jenner, ABOVE, people that are, REAL Heroes.

"Huston, the Socialists have arrived"

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Reply #19 - 06/27/19 at 12:10:01

MnSpring wrote on 06/27/19 at 11:53:56:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/27/19 at 10:40:58:

- why are you so threatened by these people? What have they done to you?

Can you tell us why,
YOU, are so threatened by people that know, understand, and apply Freedom.

What do you mean by that? I love those who know and understand what freedom is. I love those that apply their freedoms. You know, like the freedom of expression - things like that.

Especially when it comes to the 2nd.
Tell us all, why, YOU, are so afraid of someone using a device.
A device that YOU want to ban, or severally restrict freedom to own.

I'm not. In fact, on several occasions I've pointed out that I support the Second Amendment and own guns myself.

The only device we should ban (from the public) are automatic weapons and their associated hardware.

I'm also in favor of federally mandated licensing.

I'll say it one last time - I don't want to ban guns.

To be clear mn - guns don't scare me - maniacs with guns do.

No SPIN, or deflection allowed. !!!!!!
The, 'mass' shooting/s is/are done by a sick DFI,
NOT, the NRA,
Not the manufacture,
Not the legal buyer/collector/owner/user.
And the, '...What have they done to you...',
Is it the car, that did something to you,
or the driver behind the wheel ?
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,

See above. I have no problem with the hardware - it's the software running it that scares me and needs revising/purging.

Just like it's, NOT, a male, dressed like a woman going into a woman's bathroom. (Most would say what a ugly woman)
It is the, Socialist (past Pres), that said.
Men have the right to go into a ladies bathroom, all they have to say is they, 'identify' as a woman.
etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc.,

Yes, they do - which is why I asked jog why he feels threatened by that.

So when the media, and elected people, place the thing that was once called 'Bruce' Jenner, ABOVE, people that are, REAL Heroes.

Huh? Caitlin Jenner is a moron. I'm pretty sure that's general knowledge.

"Huston, the Socialists have arrived"

Yes, they have. And the country will be a better place for it.

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Reply #20 - 06/27/19 at 15:59:05

"You're the one refusing to have a conversation, because I stated my position in a way you can't argue with, so, dig up last , irrelevant statements and pretend you have not been given the opportunity to argue your point."

Incorrect. You are repeating yourself instead of acknowledging the post I had already made about this topic.

Again, and you will probably ignore it again, your post that you copied from and will not provide reference for, is one that addresses biology.

I feel that talking exclusively about biology addresses half of the topic.

Also, in a related note, when we have tried to address this topic before, you have said you would physically assault a transgender. This also does not address the problem.

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Reply #21 - 06/27/19 at 16:35:48

I have nothing against transgender people. Lived in a place full of them for awhile. What bothers me is that they are being used as pawns in the Marxist Socialist chess game to overthrow free market economy and democracy.

One of the key strategic targets of Socialism is the freedom of speech. It's crucial that they erode that freedom to achieve their revolution. So the TG community serves that purpose by willingly being made into victims who's rights are demanded by social justice. In the eyes of social justice it's totally justifiable to take the rights of 99.999% of the population so that a 0.001% minority can think they have equality.
But really they don't give a crap about those people. The bigger objective is to take the freedom of speech away from the majority thereby starting tbe slippery slope that leads to book burnings and the book of Newspeak. Taking our speech away divides us in fundamentally powerful ways and a people divided are a weak people, just as Marx said.

16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies. Don't let it happen here.
Consider the safety of the TG community who in those countries arw now targets of even higher prejudice than before.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8348	Re: Muh Values Reply #22 - 06/27/19 at 17:51:42 "16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies" Can you provide a reference for this?
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philthymike Serious Thumper Offline Wallowing in my own crapulence Posts: 1413 Philadelphia Area Gender:	Re: Muh Values Reply #23 - 06/27/19 at 17:56:51 No go look it up yourself. Start with the EU. Canada's the most recent I think.
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Reply #24 - 06/27/19 at 18:25:11

philthymike wrote on 06/27/19 at 16:35:48:

I have nothing against transgender people. Lived in a place full of them for awhile. What bothers me is that they are being used as pawns in the Marxist Socialist chess game to overthrow free market economy and democracy.

One of the key strategic targets of Socialism is the freedom of speech.
It's crucial that they erode that freedom to achieve their revolution.

How does socialism "erode" the First Amendment?

So the TG community serves that purpose by willingly being made into victims who's rights are demanded by social justice. In the eyes of social justice it's totally justifiable to take the rights of 99.999% of the population so that a 0.001% minority can think they have equality.

How is recognizing a minority an infringement of those in the majority?

But really they don't give a crap about those people. The bigger objective is to take the freedom of speech away from the majority thereby starting tbe slippery slope that leads to book burnings and the book of Newspeak.

Seriously? Book burnings? A little extreme, don't you think? (well, I guess not, since you wrote it..)

Taking our speech away divides us in fundamentally powerful ways and a people divided are a weak people, just as Marx said.

Again, how do you think your freedom of speech being taken away?

16 countries have curtailed the freedom of speech in the name of justice for trannies. Don't let it happen here.
Consider the safety of the TG community who in those countries arw now targets of even higher prejudice than before.

LOL - seriously? I'd love to see the proof of that.

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Reply #25 - 06/27/19 at 18:35:59

"No go look it up yourself. Start with the EU. Canada's the most recent I think. "

What am I looking up?

Googling:

"Tranny freedom of speech removal EU"
"EU Freedom of speech restriction related to transgender"
"EU speech restrictions transgender influence"
"EU Speech restriction Tranny injustice"
"Transgender injustice EU Speech"
"Canada Speech restrictions related to transgender"
"Canada tranny speech influence and restriction"
"Canada restrictions of public speech"

None of that helps.

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Reply #26 - 06/27/19 at 20:05:52

Eegore wrote on 06/27/19 at 18:35:59:

"No go look it up yourself. Start with the EU. Canada's the most recent I think. "

What am I looking up?

Googling:

"Tranny freedom of speech removal EU"
"EU Freedom of speech restriction related to transgender"
"EU speech restrictions transgender influence"
"EU Speech restriction Tranny injustice"
"Transgender injustice EU Speech"
"Canada Speech restrictions related to transgender"
"Canada tranny speech influence and restriction"
"Canada restrictions of public speech"

None of that helps.

Eegore FTW!!

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Re: Muh Values
Reply #27 - 06/28/19 at 03:35:14

T And T Garage wrote on 06/27/19 at 06:03:42:

pg wrote on 06/26/19 at 19:49:31:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/26/19 at 16:09:16:

Anytime an innocent person is hurt or put in harm's way.

Just as long as it is a conservative getting put in harms way, that is alright... The ends justify the means for Antifa, don't they.....

Best regards,

Not sure how many times I have to say it - I don't condone the violence that some ANTIFA members partake in - but I do support the idea of being anti-fascist.

Harassment and intimidation are acceptable as long as they are within the legal bounds of the law. Isn't that what you said.....

Best regards,

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Reply #28 - 06/28/19 at 05:37:30

pg wrote on 06/28/19 at 03:35:14:

Harassment and intimidation are acceptable as long as they are within the legal bounds of the law. Isn't that what you said.....

Best regards,

To be clear, protests are not harassment.

As long as it doesn't break the law, I'm all for condemnation of fascism.

Calling out white supremacists, racists, fascists, etc. is fine by me.

Shouldn't we all be against those things?

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9354 Minn Gender:	Re: Muh Values Reply #29 - 06/28/19 at 09:11:50 T And T Garage wrote on 06/28/19 at 05:37:30: To be clear, protests are not harassment. Harassment, should not be called, 'Protests', As when a, 'Protest', Destroys property, Cuts fences, Blocks traffic, shouts obscenities at people not caring the same sign. The tt, SPINS, calling, Harassment, a, 'protest'.
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