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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #30 - 06/12/19 at 13:48:29
 
LostArtist wrote on 06/12/19 at 12:46:15:
Trump didn't win by getting MORE votes...  he won by
the, legal, CITIZENS of the United States.
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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #31 - 06/12/19 at 14:06:33
 
T And T Garage wrote on 06/12/19 at 11:34:28:
"Her" agenda?  No pro golfer, it's the Democratic Socialists' agenda.

Really ?

You previously said:
Well that's a lie.
to: “… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…”
AND
“…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…”
And you also said:
Maybe if you read what AOC is all about, you'd know more about democratic socialism

So then, AOC is NOT, a DSA, (according to you)
So are you, Back-Peddling/Spinning, or just Lying, Again ?

What's that word that begins with 'H' ?


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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #32 - 06/12/19 at 14:47:08
 
MnSpring wrote on 06/12/19 at 14:06:33:
T And T Garage wrote on 06/12/19 at 11:34:28:
"Her" agenda?  No pro golfer, it's the Democratic Socialists' agenda.

Really ?

You previously said:
Well that's a lie.
to: “… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…”
AND
“…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…”
And you also said:
Maybe if you read what AOC is all about, you'd know more about democratic socialism

So then, AOC is NOT, a DSA, (according to you)
So are you, Back-Peddling/Spinning, or just Lying, Again ?

What's that word that begins with 'H' ?


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Wow... I don't know why I bother, but I guess I feel a little bad for you.

The point I was making mn, was that AOC wasn't just going off on her own - she's actually acting like a Democratic Socialist.

pro golfer made it sound like she's some sort of loose cannon, when in reality, she's sticking to her principals within the democratic socialists.

Do you get it now?  I'm so sorry you have such a tough time comprehending things.
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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #33 - 06/12/19 at 14:53:09
 
T And T Garage wrote on 06/12/19 at 14:47:08:
she's actually acting like a Democratic Socialist.
she's sticking to her principals within the democratic socialists.

Then, please explain why, YOU, said:
Well that's a lie.

To:
“… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…”
“…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…”
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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #34 - 06/12/19 at 14:58:58
 
MnSpring wrote on 06/12/19 at 14:53:09:
T And T Garage wrote on 06/12/19 at 14:47:08:
she's actually acting like a Democratic Socialist.
she's sticking to her principals within the democratic socialists.

Then, please explain why, YOU, said:
Well that's a lie.

To:
“… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…”
“…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…”


Oh, sorry you didn't understand my post (again) . I was answering the last statement.

I went back and fixed it for you, m'kay?
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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #35 - 06/12/19 at 15:17:58
 
MnSpring wrote on 06/12/19 at 13:48:29:
LostArtist wrote on 06/12/19 at 12:46:15:
Trump didn't win by getting MORE votes...  he won by
the, legal, CITIZENS of the United States.



???????


so, you're admitting that no illegal citizens voted in bulk to affect the election of 2016 then... good.
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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #36 - 06/12/19 at 16:34:51
 
T And T Garage wrote on 06/12/19 at 14:58:58:
I went back and fixed it for you,

So glad now, you, admit that AOC, is a Democratic Socialist, and a card carrying member of the,'wacky-crackly', DSA.

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(Or will you back track your statement,
yet again ?)


“… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” - true
“…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” - true
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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #37 - 06/12/19 at 16:45:53
 
(And again, just for the tt)

So, tt, you have now admitted AOC IS, a DSA.
(Well unless you back track, yet again)

So please explain how AOC, a, 'dedicated', DSA member/follower.
Can believe/promote the main platform planks of the DSA,
then at the same time,
ask for a raise of a Salary that is already HUGE,
for the amount of work that is done.

(Which is the original topic of this thread)

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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #38 - 06/12/19 at 17:41:11
 
MnSpring wrote on 06/12/19 at 16:34:51:
T And T Garage wrote on 06/12/19 at 14:58:58:
I went back and fixed it for you,

So glad now, you, admit that AOC, is a Democratic Socialist, and a card carrying member of the,'wacky-crackly', DSA.

I never denied that mn.

In fact, I consider myself a democratic socialist as well.

What's the big deal?


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yet again ?)


I never walked it back in the first place.  You wish that I did, but it was your own misunderstanding.

“… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” - true
“…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” - true


Yep - AOC is a democratic Socialist.

In other news - rain is wet!  LOL
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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #39 - 06/12/19 at 17:49:01
 
MnSpring wrote on 06/12/19 at 16:45:53:
(And again, just for the tt)

So, tt, you have now admitted AOC IS, a DSA.
(Well unless you back track, yet again)

So please explain how AOC, a, 'dedicated', DSA member/follower.
Can believe/promote the main platform planks of the DSA,
then at the same time,
ask for a raise of a Salary that is already HUGE,
for the amount of work that is done.

(Which is the original topic of this thread)



I'd rather not explain because it won't make a difference.

But suffice it to say, democratic socialists don't want to end capitalism.  We don't want to take away anything from anyone.  We want fair burden.  We want the top 1% to pay their fair share.  In fact, we want more money to go to the middle class in the form of earnings.

Like I said in a previous post - AOC (nor any democrat socialist) never took a vow of poverty.

Seriously, if you need any more of an explanation than that, you need to educate yourself in it.

However, I don't think you're at all sincere in wanting an explanation.  I think it's more of an attention craving than anything else.  I kind of feel sorry for you.
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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #40 - 06/12/19 at 19:26:50
 
T And T Garage wrote on 06/12/19 at 17:49:01:
 democratic socialists don't want to end capitalism.
 We don't want to take away anything from anyone.  

I see, so these quotes directly from the, Democratic socialist site, don't really mean anything ?

"...But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either..."
"...Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives...."
"...many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives...."
"...Democratic socialists always opposed the ruling party-states of those societies, just as we oppose the ruling classes of capitalist societies..."
"...In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control..."
"...Although a long-term goal of socialism is to eliminate all but the most enjoyable kinds of labor, we recognize that unappealing jobs will long remain. These tasks would be spread among as many people as possible rather than distributed on the basis of class, race, ethnicity, or gender, as they are under capitalism..."
"...For now, the burden should be placed on the employer to make work desirable by raising wages, offering benefits and improving the work environment..."
"...we must fight for a world order that is not controlled by bankers..."

(WHO then is to be in control of this new World Order ?)
"...For now, we will continue to support progressives who have a real chance at winning elections, which usually means left-wing Democrats...."
"...Although capitalism will be with us for a long time, reforms we win now—...—can bring us closer to socialism..."
"...What can young people do to move the US towards socialism?..."
"...we call ourselves socialists to remind everyone that we have a vision of a better world..."

Just a  tiny amount of, 'info', directly from the 'democratic socialists' site.

So, in a conclusion. their are Democrats, which can be classed as conservative or liberal, on different subjects.

Then their are, 'democratic socialists',
who are the 1 - 10%, to the far LEFT.

Like AOC who wants a pay raise, for a job that is already far to high for what is done in that job.
YET she, 'supposedly', believes in:
"...Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few..."

So glad tt you, self identify, as a democratic socialist.
It helps to understand why you have such a deep TDS attitude.


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Re: That didn't take long.....
Reply #41 - 06/12/19 at 19:47:14
 
MnSpring wrote on 06/12/19 at 19:26:50:
T And T Garage wrote on 06/12/19 at 17:49:01:
 democratic socialists don't want to end capitalism.
 We don't want to take away anything from anyone.  

I see, so these quotes directly from the, Democratic socialist site, don't really mean anything ?

"...But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either..."

No, we don't.  Do you?

"...Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives...."

I hate to break it to you mn, co-ops already exist.

"...many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives...."

Yeah, they might be... so?

"...Democratic socialists always opposed the ruling party-states of those societies, just as we oppose the ruling classes of capitalist societies..."

So?...

"...In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control..."

Yes, I think we should.  Maybe make some rules about offshoring... even up the tax structure.

"...Although a long-term goal of socialism is to eliminate all but the most enjoyable kinds of labor, we recognize that unappealing jobs will long remain. These tasks would be spread among as many people as possible rather than distributed on the basis of class, race, ethnicity, or gender, as they are under capitalism..."

"...And this undesirable work should be among the best, not the least, rewarded work within the economy. For now, the burden should be placed on the employer to make work desirable by raising wages, offering benefits and improving the work environment..."
"...we must fight for a world order that is not controlled by bankers..."

(WHO then is to be in control of this new World Order ?)

Well, it won't be the bankers....

"...For now, we will continue to support progressives who have a real chance at winning elections, which usually means left-wing Democrats...."

True.  What, should they support republicans????

"...Although capitalism will be with us for a long time, reforms we win now—raising the minimum wage, securing a national health plan, and demanding passage of right-to-strike legislation—can bring us closer to socialism..."

FIFY

"...What can young people do to move the US towards socialism?..."
"...we call ourselves socialists to remind everyone that we have a vision of a better world..."

Yep.. .so?

Just a  tiny amount of, 'info', directly from the 'democratic socialists' site.

So, in a conclusion. their are Democrats, which can be classed as conservative or liberal, on different subjects.

Maybe you are getting it...

Then their are, 'democratic socialists',
who are the 1 - 10%, to the far LEFT.

Like AOC who wants a pay raise, for a job that is already far to high for what is done in that job.
YET she, 'supposedly', believes in:
"...Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few..."

Yes.  True.

So glad tt you, self identify, as a democratic socialist.
It helps to understand why you have such a deep TDS attitude.

I'm proud to be called a democratic socialist.  It's far better than being called a trump supporter!   Grin


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