T And T Garage
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MnSpring wrote on 06/12/19 at 19:26:50:T And T Garage wrote on 06/12/19 at 17:49:01:
democratic socialists don't want to end capitalism. We don't want to take away anything from anyone. I see, so these quotes directly from the, Democratic socialist site, don't really mean anything ? "...But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either..."
No, we don't. Do you?
"...Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives...."
I hate to break it to you mn, co-ops already exist.
"...many consumer-goods industries might be best run as cooperatives...."
Yeah, they might be... so?
"...Democratic socialists always opposed the ruling party-states of those societies, just as we oppose the ruling classes of capitalist societies..."
So?...
"...In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater democratic control..."
Yes, I think we should. Maybe make some rules about offshoring... even up the tax structure.
"...Although a long-term goal of socialism is to eliminate all but the most enjoyable kinds of labor, we recognize that unappealing jobs will long remain. These tasks would be spread among as many people as possible rather than distributed on the basis of class, race, ethnicity, or gender, as they are under capitalism..."
"...And this undesirable work should be among the best, not the least, rewarded work within the economy. For now, the burden should be placed on the employer to make work desirable by raising wages, offering benefits and improving the work environment..." "...we must fight for a world order that is not controlled by bankers..."(WHO then is to be in control of this new World Order ?)Well, it won't be the bankers.... "...For now, we will continue to support progressives who have a real chance at winning elections, which usually means left-wing Democrats...."
True. What, should they support republicans????
"...Although capitalism will be with us for a long time, reforms we win now—raising the minimum wage, securing a national health plan, and demanding passage of right-to-strike legislation—can bring us closer to socialism..."
FIFY
"...What can young people do to move the US towards socialism?..." "...we call ourselves socialists to remind everyone that we have a vision of a better world..." Yep.. .so?
Just a tiny amount of, 'info', directly from the 'democratic socialists' site. So, in a conclusion. their are Democrats, which can be classed as conservative or liberal, on different subjects. Maybe you are getting it... Then their are, 'democratic socialists', who are the 1 - 10%, to the far LEFT.Like AOC who wants a pay raise, for a job that is already far to high for what is done in that job. YET she, 'supposedly', believes in: "...Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few..."Yes. True.
So glad tt you, self identify, as a democratic socialist. It helps to understand why you have such a deep TDS attitude. I'm proud to be called a democratic socialist. It's far better than being called a trump supporter!
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