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Reply #15 - 06/11/19 at 17:02:11

T And T Garage wrote on 06/11/19 at 15:55:18:

As soon as you give me $15,000.00 USD for it.

Oh No, I don’t want to PAY for it.
I WANT, you to GIVE it to me.

I don’t want to WORK for it,
I WANT, you to GIVE it to me.

I don’t want to, EARN it,
I WANT, you to GIVE it to me.

I don’t want to DESERVE it
I WANT, you to GIVE it to me.

So Gimme it !

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Reply #16 - 06/11/19 at 17:07:17

MnSpring wrote on 06/11/19 at 17:02:11:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/11/19 at 15:55:18:

As soon as you give me $15,000.00 USD for it.

Oh No, I don’t want to PAY for it.
I WANT, you to GIVE it to me.

I don’t want to WORK for it,
I WANT, you to GIVE it to me.

I don’t want to, EARN it,
I WANT, you to GIVE it to me.

I don’t want to DESERVE it
I WANT, you to GIVE it to me.

So Gimme it !

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Oh, I get it... you think that's how democratic socialism works. Kind of a poor attempt at a joke, huh?

Well thankfully, you're wrong.

But nice try. Maybe if you read what AOC is all about, you'd know more about democratic socialism and you'd be able to comment with more knowledge.

Like I told pro golfer, if you don't like to pay taxes, then don't pay them. I'm sure the IRS would understand.... Cheesy

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Reply #17 - 06/11/19 at 17:57:35

T And T Garage wrote on 06/11/19 at 17:07:17:

Maybe if you read what AOC is all about, you'd know more about democratic socialism

Why don't you tell us all, what the, democratic socialists, are all about.
And why they are, NOT, recognized by the 'regular' Democrats.

“… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…”
“…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…”
“…Like most socialist organizations, DSA believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state…”

“… DSA [members advocate] ending private ownership of a wide range of industries whose products are viewed as “necessities,” which they say should not be left to those seeking to turn a profit….”
“…DSA also believes that the government should “democratize” private businesses — i.e., force owners to give workers control of them — to the greatest extent possible….”
“…She wants to use the power of the state to redistribute wealth….”
“…Ocasio-Cortez supports Medicare-for-all and a single-payer health care system, tuition-free college for all, banning private prisons, tax the wealthy more, and most notable, abolishing the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency…”

“…The problem Democrats have is that the most compelling stars of the party are self-described socialists with a knack for generating controversy and media attention, and with committed mass followings…”

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Reply #18 - 06/11/19 at 19:31:50

MnSpring wrote on 06/11/19 at 17:57:35:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/11/19 at 17:07:17:

Maybe if you read what AOC is all about, you'd know more about democratic socialism

Why don't you tell us all, what the, democratic socialists, are all about.
And why they are, NOT, recognized by the 'regular' Democrats.

“… she has self-identified as a “democratic socialist,…” - true
“…a member of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA)…” - true
“…Like most socialist organizations, DSA believes in the abolition of capitalism in favor of an economy run either by “the workers” or the state…” Well that's a lie.

“… DSA [members advocate] ending private ownership of a wide range of industries whose products are viewed as “necessities,” which they say should not be left to those seeking to turn a profit….”

Another lie.

“…DSA also believes that the government should “democratize” private businesses — i.e., force owners to give workers control of them — to the greatest extent possible….”

Another lie.

“…She wants to use the power of the state to redistribute wealth….”

Another lie.

“…Ocasio-Cortez supports Medicare-for-all and a single-payer health care system, tuition-free college for all, banning private prisons, tax the wealthy more, and most notable, abolishing the US Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency…”

All true.

“…The problem Democrats have is that the most compelling stars of the party are self-described socialists with a knack for generating controversy and media attention, and with committed mass followings…”

Seems that the righties are the ones with their panties in a bunch and screaming on TV. But hey - that's good press for us Democratic Socialists!

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If you really want to know what Democratic Socialists are all about, go here and read:

http://www.dsausa.org/

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States. Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US.

Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.

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Reply #19 - 06/11/19 at 19:46:42

T And T Garage wrote on 06/11/19 at 19:31:50:

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits

Thanks for explaining exactaly what the, Democratic Socialists, are all about.

You forgot to explain, WHY, the, Democratic Socialists are, NOT, recognized by the 'regular' Democrats.

Or is just printing, 'lie' behind facts enough for you ?

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Reply #20 - 06/12/19 at 06:20:03

MnSpring wrote on 06/11/19 at 19:46:42:

T And T Garage wrote on 06/11/19 at 19:31:50:

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to meet public needs, not to make profits

Thanks for explaining exactaly what the, Democratic Socialists, are all about.

You forgot to explain, WHY, the, Democratic Socialists are, NOT, recognized by the 'regular' Democrats.

Or is just printing, 'lie' behind facts enough for you ?

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Well mn, I'd like to see your proof that "regular" democrats don't support Justice Democrats.

I think perhaps you read that somewhere on some conservative site.

But I will tell you this - far too few "regular" democrats support Medicare for all, free community college tuition, a $15.00/hr minimum wage and getting money out of politics.

Those "regular" democrats are what I call establishment democrats and frankly, their time is over (just like the establishment repubs).

Clear?

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Reply #21 - 06/12/19 at 06:34:39

But I will tell you this - far too few "regular" democrats support Medicare for all, free community college tuition, a $15.00/hr minimum wage and getting money out of politics.

Those "regular" democrats are what I call establishment democrats and frankly, their time is over (just like the establishment repubs).

Those 'regular' democrats as you call them are the ones who put Trump in office in 2016 and will put him in again by not voting if a traitorous socialist like Sanders somehow makes in on the ballot or a fraud like Warren. The time of regular Democrats is not quite over and the US will survive a little while longer until Leftist finish her off.

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Reply #22 - 06/12/19 at 06:44:50

WebsterMark wrote on 06/12/19 at 06:34:39:

But I will tell you this - far too few "regular" democrats support Medicare for all, free community college tuition, a $15.00/hr minimum wage and getting money out of politics.

Those "regular" democrats are what I call establishment democrats and frankly, their time is over (just like the establishment repubs).

Those 'regular' democrats as you call them are the ones who put Trump in office in 2016 and will put him in again by not voting if a traitorous socialist like Sanders somehow makes in on the ballot or a fraud like Warren. The time of regular Democrats is not quite over and the US will survive a little while longer until Leftist finish her off.

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're way off. trump got elected because of Hillary and complacency (and let's not forget about that "horrible" electoral college)

But I love that your vitriol of Bernie now contains the word "traitorous". Calling him that is the same as calling trump "honest" - LOL - but whatever makes you feel good I guess.

The problem with the establishment dems is that they try too hard to work with the repubs - with the repubs not budging. Biden is a perfect example of that. He prides himself in that. I guess he didn't learn anything in the 8 years he was with Obama - remember all those times that the repubs worked with him?.... Yeah, me either, because that never happened.

The democratic socialists actually have a spine and stand up to the repubs. Warren is slow and steady, but I still think Bernie is a safe bet.

I guess we'll see in the coming months. It's gonna be fun, that's for sure!

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Reply #24 - 06/12/19 at 06:48:16

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're way off. trump got elected because of Hillary and complacency (and let's not forget about that "horrible" electoral college)

Please keep thinking that.....

But I love that your vitriol of Bernie now contains the word "traitorous".
Bernie Sanders is a traitor to the core of this nation.

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Reply #26 - 06/12/19 at 11:27:53

WebsterMark wrote on 06/12/19 at 06:48:16:

You're entitled to your opinion, but I think you're way off. trump got elected because of Hillary and complacency (and let's not forget about that "horrible" electoral college)

Please keep thinking that..... - nothing to really "think" of - it happens to be a fact. Just like I don't need to "think" about fire being hot - it just is...

But I love that your vitriol of Bernie now contains the word "traitorous".
Bernie Sanders is a traitor to the core of this nation.

Really? How so?

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Reply #27 - 06/12/19 at 11:34:28

pg wrote on 06/12/19 at 07:33:54:

Another lie.

“…She wants to use the power of the state to redistribute wealth….”

That is precisely what will occur with her agenda.

Best regards,

"Her" agenda? No pro golfer, it's the Democratic Socialists' agenda. In case you haven't noticed, income disparity is at unheard of record levels in our country. These roaring teens and twenties are much like those of the 20th Century. Remember what happened then? (it starts with a d and rhymes with "oppression"...)

Middle class wages have been stagnant (at best) for the better part of 30 years. How is that a good thing? How is living in a near oligarchy a good thing?

I'm all for a level playing field. Tax burden should be shared. Those who can afford more, should pay more.

Seemed to work pretty good in the 50's, 60's and 70's.

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Reply #28 - 06/12/19 at 12:46:15

WebsterMark wrote on 06/12/19 at 06:34:39:

But I will tell you this - far too few "regular" democrats support Medicare for all, free community college tuition, a $15.00/hr minimum wage and getting money out of politics.

Those "regular" democrats are what I call establishment democrats and frankly, their time is over (just like the establishment repubs).

Those 'regular' democrats as you call them are the ones who put Trump in office in 2016 and will put him in again by not voting if a traitorous socialist like Sanders somehow makes in on the ballot or a fraud like Warren. The time of regular Democrats is not quite over and the US will survive a little while longer until Leftist finish her off.

no, they didn't. middle of the road democrats either voted for Clinton or stayed home, not FOR Trump, you probably actually had more Bernie supporters vote FOR Trump than Clinton supporters

Trump didn't win by getting MORE votes... he won by suppressing democratic votes who had their middle of the road capitalistic candidate in Clinton. Clinton excited no one to come out to vote for her. She wasn't POPULIST enough, her answer to "what are you going to do for us?" was "More of the same..." Sanders would have and still can SMASH Trump in a general election.

Wall Street expects a Trump win in 2020, but a new poll points to a different outcome

"Biden, who plans to blast Trump in a speech Tuesday night as both politicians campaign in Iowa, held the largest lead, 53%-40%. He built it with decided advantages among women, independents, college-educated whites, nonwhites and young voters.

Yet self-described Democratic socialist Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont recorded an edge almost as large. He led Trump by 51%-42%.

Here’s where the 2020 Democratic front-runners stand on the issues
Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts led Trump by 49% to 42%. Sen. Kamala Harris of California led the incumbent by 49%-41%."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/06/11/wall-street-expects-a-trump-win-in-2020-but-a...

but you're on Wall Street's side so you won't believe it anyway, probably claim how wrong the polls were in 2016.... but they weren't... the electoral college and all its flaws are what got Trump in, the polls were right nationally.

but you don't actually believe in democracy so no wonder you don't understand democratic socialism

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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: That didn't take long..... Reply #29 - 06/12/19 at 12:50:35 WebsterMark wrote on 06/12/19 at 06:45:56: By the way; AOC's reasoning for a raise was if we don't get a raise, we'll be more susceptible to bribes..... you mean the COLA that they haven't gotten since 2009
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