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Reply #15 - 06/03/19 at 19:47:47
 
Ok... I installed a new battery, pulled the spark plug, sprayed some fog oil in, and drained the old gas, and put in new gas..

Now starts, but it won't turn over.. Not sure what to do from here..
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Reply #16 - 06/04/19 at 02:54:10
 
Drewdeluxe wrote on 06/03/19 at 19:47:47:
Now starts, but it won't turn over.. Not sure what to do from here..


I am not sure what that means.

"Now Starts" - implies the engine fires up and comes to life when you turn on the ignition and push the starter button.

"Won't Turn Over" - implies the engine is stuck and won't rotate.

Does the engine rotate when you push the starter button?

Does the engine fire (indicating it has ignition, compression and fuel/air?

Does the engine "run"?
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Reply #17 - 06/04/19 at 05:50:12
 
If it turns over (starter runs & motor turns) but doesn't start ,you may have used to much fogging oil ,pull and clean the plug once more, and spray some starting fluid (ether )into the air box ,the motor can be a bit hard to fire up the first time . remember not to run the starter for long periods of time ,and allow it to cool off in between . You also need to be sure the battery is fully charged , if it gets down to less than about 10 volts (read  when turning the motor over) ,the sparkplug wont fire. you can jump the battery off a car battery, but the car should NOT be running, ( max charging rate for a motorcycle battery is only 2 amps, the car 's output is 55/60 avg.)
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Reply #18 - 06/04/19 at 10:01:04
 
Yes - the engine fires up and comes to life, but it's stuck and won't rotate.

I think Batman is correct, I most likely put too much fog oil, I'll get some starting fluid and a battery charger. If that works and the bike starts, will that take care of me over spraying the fog oil?
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Reply #19 - 06/04/19 at 10:07:45
 
If it's hydraulically locked, you'll wreck something.
Pull the plug and spin it over.
Probably won't Fire until you clean the plug anyway, if it's loaded up with oil.
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Reply #20 - 06/04/19 at 10:34:10
 
Drewdeluxe wrote on 06/04/19 at 10:01:04:
Yes - the engine fires up and comes to life, but it's stuck and won't rotate.


Now I am even more confused than before! Huh

Let me try a different language:

When you push the starter button - Is there Joy?

Will the engine - Tick Over?
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Reply #21 - 06/04/19 at 10:39:06
 
Dave wrote on 06/04/19 at 10:34:10:
Drewdeluxe wrote on 06/04/19 at 10:01:04:
Yes - the engine fires up and comes to life, but it's stuck and won't rotate.


Now I am even more confused than before! Huh

It's a zombie.   Shocked
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Reply #22 - 06/04/19 at 10:43:50
 
Lol sorry, I'm new at this and not good at explaining it.. Kinda sounds like this (forward to the 1min mark):

https://youtu.be/uk2_hMeDO2U
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Reply #23 - 06/04/19 at 11:45:48
 
So:

You turn on the key, push the starter button, and the starter turns the engine over (round and round) - but it does not start?

It just makes noises as long as you push the starter button and make the starter work.

Correct?

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Reply #24 - 06/04/19 at 12:56:49
 
When you attempt to start, have the "choke" for want of the correct description pulled right out and don't open the throttle until it's running.  That's the book method of starting. If that doesn't work try turning he petcock to prime position, give the carburettor bowl a sharp tap with a screwdriver handle and see if you have any luck.
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Reply #25 - 06/04/19 at 16:35:43
 
Ok latest update.. Sprayed some starting fluid into the air box and she started, but only with the choke out.. Once I let go of the choke, she doesn't have enough to stay on.. Also A LOT of smoke coming off the exhaust, not sure if this is a normal thing for a bike that hasn't been alive for years.. Started her twice, then stopped, didn't want to continue without posting here first..
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Reply #26 - 06/04/19 at 17:35:50
 
Drewdeluxe wrote on 06/04/19 at 16:35:43:
OAlso A LOT of smoke coming off the exhaust, not sure if this is a normal thing for a bike that hasn't been alive for years..


Absolutely....especially one that you have sprayed fogging oil into the cylinder.
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Reply #27 - 06/04/19 at 18:58:00
 
Yes,  let it run! ,warm it up until it will run with the choke off, if the carb is OK. you can turn the idle up a bit.  the smoke is the fogging oil ,it will clear, the most it might do is foul the plug , but it won't hurt  anything. the plug can be cleaned and reused. Don't let it run sitting on the sidestand . if you not going to ride it ,at least place a box fan on high in front of it so it wont overheat.
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Reply #28 - 06/05/19 at 07:35:32
 
Hopefully, you changed the oil before you started it up if it sat for that long.  You don't want to be running oil with gas in it.

Your video sounds normal for a bike that sat that long and you got it fired up so that's good. Carry on with what batman said, it hasn't run for a long time.  At the very least, it needs the "cobwebs" blown out of it.    If you still struggle to keep it running, get a new petcock and ditch the fuel filter.  If it's still having issues, then you'll need to start looking into potential carb issues.

BUT...don't fix anything until it is PROVEN to be broken!  Too many people start taking crap apart before the really understand the full extent of the issues and end up causing more problems than they started with.
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Reply #29 - 06/05/19 at 07:49:14
 
ohiomoto wrote on 06/05/19 at 07:35:32:
Hopefully, you changed the oil before you started it up if it sat for that long.  You don't want to be running oil with gas in it.


That goes against what most of us believe is good for a dormant engine that is coming out of long storage.  If you drain the oil and put in a new filter - the oil system is now dry and there will not be any lubrication until the oil pump moves enough oil to fill the empty filter cavity.  A dormant engine has plenty of time for the oil to drain off the bearing surfaces - and there is no reason to make this worse by letting the remaining oil drain out of the filter and pump.

I believe it is better to get the engine started and use whatever oil is in the engine to oil the bearing surfaces as quickly as possible - then change the oil and filter after the initial run.  If the crankcase oil is contaminated with fuel or water then I guess it is OK to drain and refill the sump - but leave the filter in place for the initial start.  And you definitely should oil the piston/cylinder and open up the valve inspection cap and oil the cam and rocker surfaces.

If you really wanted to be "sure" about oiling things properly before turning the engine over......maybe you could overfill the crankcase and get all the bearings lubed - then drain the oil and refill to the proper level.

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