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We ALL have a choice......
05/28/19 at 21:26:42
 
Everyone has free will....everyone.
Thinking yours is right, and assigning others as wrong, is to totally delude oneself of reality....

To expand further, its ignorant, because you have refused to take into considerations, that others live their lives and make choices according to their own unique perspective, just as you, and everyone else, have their own unique perspective....

To discount others, is to discount yourself, choosing to remain....ignorant.

Then, you blame others for not seeing YOUR truth, retaliate and become punitive....
Like mounting a merry-go-round, and complaining you never get anywhere.....  Grin

The real choice is thus......

FISHING OR CAMPING......??????

Now that is hard to decide  Wink







Can I get a little help here........   Cheesy
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Reply #1 - 05/28/19 at 23:38:16
 
raydawg wrote on 05/28/19 at 21:26:42:
Everyone has free will....everyone.
Thinking yours is right, and assigning others as wrong, is to totally delude oneself of reality....

To expand further, its ignorant, because you have refused to take into considerations, that others live their lives and make choices according to their own unique perspective, just as you, and everyone else, have their own unique perspective....

To discount others, is to discount yourself, choosing to remain....ignorant.

Then, you blame others for not seeing YOUR truth, retaliate and become punitive....
Like mounting a merry-go-round, and complaining you never get anywhere.....  Grin

The real choice is thus......

FISHING OR CAMPING......??????

Now that is hard to decide  Wink


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https://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/60785808_2409067129118...


Can I get a little help here........   Cheesy




you're the most confusing MF on this board......
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Reply #2 - 05/29/19 at 05:38:43
 
[quote author=2B38203D382E3E590 link=1559104002/0#0 date=1559104002]Everyone has free will....everyone.
Thinking yours is right, and assigning others as wrong, is to totally delude oneself of reality....

Really?  Am I wrong to condemn murder?  Am I wrong to pay taxes?  Am I wrong to want to live in a free country?

To expand further, its ignorant, because you have refused to take into considerations, that others live their lives and make choices according to their own unique perspective, just as you, and everyone else, have their own unique perspective....

That's all well and good, but you can't sit there and deny that there are not cases where there is a wrong and there is a right attitude (see above).

To discount others, is to discount yourself, choosing to remain....ignorant.

Well ray, I totally discount nazis, racists, people who kick puppies, rapists, gang bangers, etc.  I think that's the opposite of ignorant.  I know what those people do, therefore, I discount them.

Then, you blame others for not seeing YOUR truth, retaliate and become punitive....
Like mounting a merry-go-round, and complaining you never get anywhere.....  Grin

The real choice is thus......

FISHING OR CAMPING......??????

Now that is hard to decide  Wink
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Reply #3 - 05/29/19 at 06:40:00
 
LostArtist wrote on 05/28/19 at 23:38:16:
raydawg wrote on 05/28/19 at 21:26:42:
Everyone has free will....everyone.
Thinking yours is right, and assigning others as wrong, is to totally delude oneself of reality....

To expand further, its ignorant, because you have refused to take into considerations, that others live their lives and make choices according to their own unique perspective, just as you, and everyone else, have their own unique perspective....

To discount others, is to discount yourself, choosing to remain....ignorant.

Then, you blame others for not seeing YOUR truth, retaliate and become punitive....
Like mounting a merry-go-round, and complaining you never get anywhere.....  Grin

The real choice is thus......

FISHING OR CAMPING......??????

Now that is hard to decide  Wink


https://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/here%20size_edited-1_z...

https://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm288/eddy-haskell/60785808_2409067129118...


Can I get a little help here........   Cheesy




you're the most confusing MF on this board......


Ok, so that is Mostly Fishing then......?????

You need any help baking those sugar cookies for the Harper Valley PTA meeting buddy?  Smiley
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Reply #4 - 05/29/19 at 06:51:26
 
raydawg wrote on 05/28/19 at 21:26:42:
The real choice is thus......
FISHING OR CAMPING......??????
Can I get a little help here........   Cheesy

My answer is:
YES
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Reply #5 - 05/29/19 at 07:28:52
 
MnSpring wrote on 05/29/19 at 06:51:26:
raydawg wrote on 05/28/19 at 21:26:42:
The real choice is thus......
FISHING OR CAMPING......??????
Can I get a little help here........   Cheesy

My answer is:
YES


OK....first, I must make clear for the record you answered this freely, without any pressure, or influence, threats, shaming, derogatory references, to you personally.......

That you answer is free from financial considerations, politico or social manipulations......  

That by your own testimony, of self, you are one righteous guy who can stand in judgment of others, and always be right.....

Is this correct?

I want t be certain your answer is just.....

As I've been led astray too many times, by wild sales pitches, promises, and questionable women, who bring their own pole holder on a boat filled with men......

So, can you affirm this please  Kiss
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Reply #6 - 05/29/19 at 08:06:50
 
raydawg wrote on 05/29/19 at 07:28:52:
OK....first, I must make clear for the record you answered this freely, without any pressure, or influence, threats, shaming, derogatory references, to you personally.......

That you answer is free from financial considerations, politico or social manipulations......  

That by your own testimony, of self, you are one righteous guy who can stand in judgment of others, and always be right.....

Is this correct?

I want t be certain your answer is just.....

As I've been led astray too many times, by wild sales pitches, promises, and questionable women, who bring their own pole holder on a boat filled with men......

So, can you affirm this please  Kiss


YES


Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Reply #7 - 05/29/19 at 08:18:32
 
raydawg wrote on 05/28/19 at 21:26:42:
FISHING OR CAMPING......??????

Now that is hard to decide  Wink




Can I get a little help here........   Cheesy





BTW, yeah, we get it ray.

You have a boat and a camper!

Gee that's swell!
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Reply #8 - 05/29/19 at 09:15:34
 
Do we have free will?...

Atheist:  "I have free will because I have no choice"

Religious:  "Yes, I have free will because God lets me"

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Reply #9 - 05/29/19 at 09:32:16
 
raydawg wrote on 05/28/19 at 21:26:42:
FISHING OR CAMPING......??????

Wow, sounds like someone is really JEALOUS of your Boat & Camper.
(Apparently because you worked hard for it, and it was not a 'Gimme/Gimme/Gimme)

Wonder if they would be as JEALOUS, about a gun I purchased ?

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #10 - 05/29/19 at 09:41:11
 
If I put certain ingredients in the right quantities, in a certain shape, put them in the oven at a certain temperature for a certain length of time, I will get the same results, cookies.

The ingredients have no free will. They respond based on their chemistry and heat. Even before I start cooking, I know the outcome.

If life is begun on a habitable planet, do the evolving life forms have freewill or are their thoughts, actions, emotions based solely on their chemical makeup? And if you were somehow capable of knowing, down to the atom, the makeup of every person and every circumstance they would face, would you know in advance what the outcome would be?....much like you know the outcome of the cookie even before you begin mixing the ingredients?
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Reply #11 - 05/29/19 at 10:32:28
 
WebsterMark wrote on 05/29/19 at 09:41:11:
If I put certain ingredients in the right quantities, in a certain shape, put them in the oven at a certain temperature for a certain length of time, I will get the same results, cookies.

The ingredients have no free will. They respond based on their chemistry and heat. Even before I start cooking, I know the outcome.

If life is begun on a habitable planet, do the evolving life forms have freewill or are their thoughts, actions, emotions based solely on their chemical makeup? And if you were somehow capable of knowing, down to the atom, the makeup of every person and every circumstance they would face, would you know in advance what the outcome would be?....much like you know the outcome of the cookie even before you begin mixing the ingredients?


Well Web, choices will always remain, until you take your last breath....

If a person chooses to stay out in the cold, homeless, then its a choice, but too, choices have consequences.....

Freedom of no restrictions, or obligations, is freedom from those constraints, but in doing so, the cookie recipe has changed, maybe because of those choices they call freedom, leaves them low on sugar and flour....so, as we see evidenced here on this site, when you don't have all the necessities to present a well baked cookie, you just go with, more nuts  Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin  
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Reply #12 - 05/29/19 at 10:33:06
 
MnSpring wrote on 05/29/19 at 09:32:16:
raydawg wrote on 05/28/19 at 21:26:42:
FISHING OR CAMPING......??????

Wow, sounds like someone is really JEALOUS of your Boat & Camper.
(Apparently because you worked hard for it, and it was not a 'Gimme/Gimme/Gimme)

Wonder if they would be as JEALOUS, about a gun I purchased ?

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


Maybe not the gun....but the holster  Wink
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Reply #13 - 05/29/19 at 10:43:24
 
raydawg wrote on 05/29/19 at 10:33:06:
someone is really JEALOUS
Maybe not the gun....but the holster  Wink

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin

(I believe their are two here, that just won't  get it !)
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Reply #14 - 05/29/19 at 11:17:23
 
Well Web, choices will always remain, until you take your last breath....

If a person chooses to stay out in the cold, homeless, then its a choice, but too, choices have consequences.....


But what if you only think you have a choice.....what if, like the cookie, a particular pattern of atoms and molecules results in a particular course of action when confronted with certain stimuli every time?

Is God's omnipotence simply knowing the only possible reaction to each and every interaction?
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