WebsterMark wrote on 05/29/19 at 11:17:23:


Knowing, and interfering, is two distinct actions.

I do not believe God makes it a habit to interfere in "natural law"  as it would create a paradox of sorts.

Lets look at Jesus's sweating blood before his Crucifixion.....

Even on the cross He seemed to not see the truth of the Trinity, yet we know by testimony that the Spirit was observed landing on folks.

If I knew in advance that my actions would indeed result in a certain outcome, then I ask, who needs faith?

As a person, ALL my energy would then be directed at my wants, needs, desires, as would every other thinking person, that is the natural laws instincts at work.....

It gets heavy.....trying to wrap a understanding around things that are so far above our ability to understand and grasp....

HEY....lets just go back to  camping or fishing    

If I knew in advance that my actions would indeed result in a certain outcome, then I ask, who needs faith?

That's the point, you don't know. Another way to look at it. Watch the same movie twice or better yet, read a historical book twice.  As the plot unfolds the first time, it's all new to you. The character's free will decisions lead to unknown and unforeseen ramifications.

Watch it or read it a second time; the free will enjoyed by the characters still exist for them, but not for you. From your perspective, they will make the same decisions over and over again, even if it leads them to harm or death.

Quantum and multiverse theory are debating this.
Don't know if they'll be able to prove it, ever.

Do we really want to know?...

Serowbot wrote on 05/31/19 at 08:16:55:


It depends on the motivation, which is a sense, is like separating good from evil.

If I use to to capitalize upon others, then no.

If, however, I use it to become a better me, then yes.....

Now the circle argument begins, who decides what is better?  

Horsepucky...

Sight is not out only sense,... and spirituality has no sense.
Just saying profound sounding BS don't make you a sage.

What Christian theology has to say about the nature of existence is "don't ask"...
Does the sun and the planets still rotate around the earth?...  

What Christian theology has to say about the nature of existence is "don't ask"

That's what you think it says but I don't know anyone who says that" Every one I know asks that question and more. Get your head out of your a.....I mean the 13th century....

WebsterMark wrote on 05/31/19 at 10:48:04:


I know a guy who has a degree from Berkeley in Political Sciences...
We were talking about this subject of God, believing, etc.....

His final say on the matter was this: "I can decide later, if I need it, then."  

I'm sorry, you can not have dialogue with that type of thinking.....

Okay,.... ever heard of cutting edge Christianity?...

As a matter of fact, yes. You're hung up on your old personal experiences from the past and a filter that only shows you what you want to see like the Ark flooding story.

Everyone I know constantly questions and struggles with reconciling faith and science. There's nothing wrong with that conflict, in fact it's encouraged. "Work out your salvation with fear and trembling."