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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	‘No Way To Prevent This,’ 05/08/19 at 15:33:23 Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens *1 dead, 8 injured in shooting at Denver STEM school; 2 students in custody* http://www.yahoo.com/news/colorado-school-shooting-updates-stem-102344188.html So sick of this. So fukcing sick of it.....
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Reply #1 - 05/08/19 at 15:34:39 What's really pathetic is that the Onion has been using that headline for over 5 years..... yet here we are.
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Reply #2 - 05/08/19 at 18:47:30 Thinking of shootings, Chi-raq is off to a better than average start this year. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-... Best regards,
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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Reply #3 - 05/09/19 at 05:36:56 pg wrote on 05/08/19 at 18:47:30: Thinking of shootings, Chi-raq is off to a better than average start this year. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-... Best regards, That's true. And the per capita rates are still low.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Reply #4 - 05/09/19 at 06:24:05 Armed teachers/ staff. See how that works. Gee, I wonder how they do it in Israel....
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Reply #5 - 05/09/19 at 10:04:50

80% (+/-) of the Media, will drop ’news’ on this shooting,
Because, the shooters were UL, FDS, DFI’s.

Erickson’s Uniform: Black Cloths, and, shaggy, purple-streaked hair obscuring his face.
Maya/Alex McKinney, The sheriff's office initially identified him as a boy and later said the suspect was a girl.
“…A public defender assigned to McKinney says his client goes by Alec and uses male pronouns …”
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/colorado-stem-school-highlands-ranch-shooting-su...
And before the resident, UL self righteous spout off.
Don’t Care how Erickson dresses, or cuts/colors his hair.
Don’t care if the girl, McKinney dress as a boy.
DO Care, when they want to Shoot someone.

Their political affiliation is most apparently UL.
(UL = Ultra Liberal, Free, Free, Free Free, Free …..)
Neither are old enough, to have learned the way things really work.
So they only do what they have been taught.
And, again, that is why this will just disappear.

Cause it is another case of violent, UL’s

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T And T Garage Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 9839	Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Reply #6 - 05/09/19 at 11:03:44 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/09/19 at 06:24:05: Armed teachers/ staff. See how that works. Gee, I wonder how they do it in Israel.... This isn't Israel.
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Reply #7 - 05/09/19 at 11:24:23 Well, that can only mean one thing. It CAN'T work here, TOO. But, IIRC, weren't you pointing to all the Other Places where they have socialized health care and explaining how much WE should Do it Their Way?
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Reply #8 - 05/09/19 at 11:40:52

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/09/19 at 11:24:23:

Well, that can only mean one thing.
It CAN'T work here, TOO.
But, IIRC, weren't you pointing to
all the Other Places where they have socialized health care
and explaining how much WE should Do it Their Way?

Don't forget, that was tt, AND Bot.

Never mind, just typical UL saying;
'I can be hypocritical, but you can't'

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MnSpring Serious Thumper Offline Younger than most people my age. Posts: 9398 Minn Gender:	Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Reply #9 - 05/09/19 at 12:03:46 T And T Garage wrote on 05/09/19 at 11:03:44: This isn't Israel. Is Israel, a, 'civilized', Country ?
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Reply #10 - 05/09/19 at 12:26:57

Is Israel,
a, 'civilized', Country ?

Having been there multiple times, I would say yes.

Most schools do not arm teachers, no matter what our politicians say or what picture-of-a-gun-carrying-teacher meme the internet provides us. I verified this with 3 phone calls today before having this reply entered. The difference however is I have never seen, nor any of my associates, (one who is a teacher), a school without an outer secure perimeter and a shoman or guard station.

The idea that Israel "prevents" school shootings by arming staff is fundamentally flawed. It's an apples and oranges comparison of environment, culture, law, and availability of weapon type. Guns are very tightly controlled there.

You have to have a license to carry in Israel and losing a weapon results in jail time. Soldiers and people licensed to carry have firearms.

You have to be old enough 20 or 27 depending on military service, complete a background check, a physical evaluation and then re-register annually, also you are only allowed to have limited ammunition - it was 50 rounds when I was there. Many people do not get a license, the exact stats I can not reliably confirm. This is after the relaxed laws recently enacted.

America as a constitutional right is viewed in Israel as a privilege given to those in real need of a firearm. Teachers, as a profession do not qualify under those current laws.

My experience has been that explosives take the place of mass-shootings due to the unavailability of large-capacity weapons and ammunition.

I am not saying arming staff in the US is not beneficial, I am saying comparing Israel is grasping at straws at best as almost nothing about the crime type, usage of weapon, geometry of physical environment, criminal type, culture, or laws are similar enough to make accurate comparisons.

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Reply #11 - 05/09/19 at 15:02:21

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/09/19 at 11:24:23:

Well, that can only mean one thing.
It CAN'T work here, TOO.
But, IIRC, weren't you pointing to all the Other Places where they have socialized health care and explaining how much WE should Do it Their Way?

Yeah, socialized medicine would work here. But why do you automatically go to the extreme? Socialized medicine works in Sweden and it would work here. Does that mean we have to all start speaking Swedish?

Don't be so foolish jog...

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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’ Reply #12 - 05/09/19 at 15:34:37 justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/09/19 at 06:24:05: Armed teachers/ staff. See how that works. Gee, I wonder how they do it in Israel.... They have nice walls, and they most certainly work! Best regards,
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Reply #13 - 05/09/19 at 17:57:10

They have nice walls, and they most certainly work!

They work for the intended purpose in that specific geographical area, the US Mexico border shares very little commonalities in wall structure and enforcement.

Those walls are in a very different environment, are enforced by constant armed military personnel that also use smarter tech like drones, aircraft etc. not to mention trade embargos supported by Egypt against a much smaller area and penetration type.

Other than the potential for the physical product to be the same comparing the environment of the West Bank and Gaza to the US Mexico Border is very weak.

Those walls if enforced the same here would work. Use the military (change the laws here to allow it) not CBP, get Mexico to stop imports like concrete and lumber to other South American countries, by using their military and remove the availability of Mexican citizens to get it without license.

The whole economic and political structure would need to change to get our walls to work like Israel's. One thing for sure is they do not operate under the delusion, due to experience, that walls work without very active maintenance and enforcement.

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Reply #14 - 05/09/19 at 18:58:16

T And T Garage wrote on 05/09/19 at 15:02:21:

justin_o_guy2 wrote on 05/09/19 at 11:24:23:

Well, that can only mean one thing.
It CAN'T work here, TOO.
But, IIRC, weren't you pointing to all the Other Places where they have socialized health care and explaining how much WE should Do it Their Way?

Yeah, socialized medicine would work here. But why do you automatically go to the extreme? Socialized medicine works in Sweden and it would work here. Does that mean we have to all start speaking Swedish?

Don't be so foolish jog...

We're not Sweden.

I made a point by showing you that what you call justification changes when you need it to.

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