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‘No Way To Prevent This,’ (Read 173 times)
T And T Garage
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Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’
Reply #15 -
05/09/19 at 20:43:34
justin_o_guy2 wrote
on 05/09/19 at 18:58:16:
T And T Garage wrote
on 05/09/19 at 15:02:21:
justin_o_guy2 wrote
on 05/09/19 at 11:24:23:
Well, that can only mean one thing.
It CAN'T work here, TOO.
But, IIRC, weren't you pointing to all the Other Places where they have socialized health care and explaining how much WE should Do it Their Way?
Yeah, socialized medicine would work here. But why do you automatically go to the extreme? Socialized medicine works in Sweden and it would work here. Does that mean we have to all start speaking Swedish?
Don't be so foolish jog...
We're not Sweden.
And we're not Israel either. That doesn't mean we can learn from
some
of what they do.
You go to extremes to try and prove a point - not gonna work.
I made a point by showing you that what you call justification changes when you need it to.
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Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’
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05/09/19 at 23:22:29
Let teachers carry.
It's simple to secure a place.
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Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’
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05/10/19 at 05:34:44
Arming staff while hardening the environment does not secure it by definition. Someone can still compromise the environment but armed teachers could reduce the timeframe of compromise.
As discussed multiple times here, implementation is a large part of the problem. Staff selection, funding, legal protections, training are all part of the problem.
In most if not all places a school board can not just say "arm the teachers" then put out a bin of Glocks and ammunition and solve school shootings the next day.
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Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’
Reply #18 -
05/10/19 at 06:13:26
You're serious?
You think you've captured the essence of my point after all the times I've explained it?
Look at Florida.
These laws that illegally infringe on the RIGHTS of teachers to be able to defend themselves are slowly changing.
It straight up pisses me off for you to act like I don't know laws will need to be changed.
School districts exist where teachers are armed.
Nobody MAKES anyone carry.
It's just tiresome trying to get cerTTain people to grasp the obvious.
And you..
Of COURSE IT WON'T BE UNASSAILABLE,
It just won't be a
Legally created KILL ZONE,
So, talk to me like I'm an idiot some more.
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Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’
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05/10/19 at 06:25:55
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So, talk to me like I'm an idiot some more.
"
I don't have an opinion of you.
To clarify: You said "It's simple to secure a place."
Simple. I have an opinion that "simple" and "complex" are two different things. My opinion, that I have, is that it is not simple to secure a place because of the complexities listed below.
My opinion is the following:
Arming staff while hardening the environment does not secure it by definition. Someone can still compromise the environment but armed teachers could reduce the timeframe of compromise.
I do not think this opinion of securing reflects or represents on the intellectual capacity of any member if their opinion is different.
I have an opinion regarding this based off of past discussion, my opinion is as follows:
As discussed multiple times here, implementation is a large part of the problem. Staff selection, funding, legal protections, training are all part of the problem.
This opinion is not intended to reflect upon or represent the intellectual capacity of any member.
I have a final opinion and conclusion:
In most if not all places a school board can not just say "arm the teachers" then put out a bin of Glocks and ammunition and solve school shootings the next day.
This conclusion is not intended to reflect upon or represent the intellectual capacity of any member.
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It straight up pisses me off for you to act like I don't know laws will need to be changed."
I never said that, you did. I do not feel that changing laws is "simple", this is my opinion of the definition of "simple" and how it applies to the process of creating law.
This is not an opinion of you.
I
do
not
have a valuation of you as a person.
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Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’
Reply #20 -
05/10/19 at 12:42:11
justin_o_guy2 wrote
on 05/10/19 at 06:13:26:
You're serious?
You think you've captured the essence of my point after all the times I've explained it?
Look at Florida.
These laws that illegally infringe on the RIGHTS of teachers to be able to defend themselves are slowly changing.
It straight up pisses me off for you to act like I don't know laws will need to be changed.
School districts exist where teachers are armed.
Nobody MAKES anyone carry.
It's just tiresome trying to get cerTTain people to grasp the obvious.
And you..
Of COURSE IT WON'T BE UNASSAILABLE,
It just won't be a
Legally created KILL ZONE,
So, talk to me like I'm an idiot some more.
LOL - look at you jog.... Look at you getting all defensive.
Eegore is by far, the most rational among us and you get all bound up and lash out when he logically puts you in your place.
But yet, somehow
I'm
the one who makes this forum so "terrible".
LOL
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Reply #21 -
05/10/19 at 15:50:30
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/440247-florida-senate-approves-bill-all
owing-armed-teachers
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Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’
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06/03/19 at 06:25:17
Yeah, just another shooting....
More guns, more problems. Period.
SMH
:'(
http://www.yahoo.com/news/virginia-victims-had-150-years-112752018.html
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06/03/19 at 07:16:39
Sure, strict gun laws work wonderfully in Chicago don't they.....
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Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’
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06/03/19 at 08:04:12
pg wrote
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Sure, strict gun laws work wonderfully in Chicago don't they.....
Best regards,
No, they don't. Wanna know why?
Because you can drive 50 miles north to Wisconsin, 30 miles east to Indiana or 70 miles west to Iowa and get pretty much anything you want.
Federal laws have to change.
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06/03/19 at 08:57:20
T And T Garage wrote
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Federal laws have to change.
I agree, I look forward to national reciprocity.
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06/03/19 at 10:12:11
That is concealed carry national reciprocity, all states recognize each others permits.
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06/03/19 at 10:14:24
In Chicago, 956 people have been shot this year. That is 116 fewer than 2018.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory....
But things are looking up, over a hundred less shot than last year at this time. Before you know it your gun laws might actually have the perception they are working.
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Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’
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06/03/19 at 10:21:12
pg wrote
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In Chicago, 956 people have been shot this year. That is 116 fewer than 2018.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory....
But things are looking up, over a hundred less shot than last year at this time. Before you know it your gun laws might actually have the perception they are working.
Best regards,
Well, I'll take a decrease in murders over an increase any day. The local guns laws have very little to do with those stats.
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Re: ‘No Way To Prevent This,’
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06/03/19 at 10:35:57
Chicago is no different than any major metropolitan US city, including my city of St Louis. Gang bangers kill each other daily. Those calling for more gun laws are afraid to focus on the "who and what" causes for those stats. They don't really care about those lives, its not like they know or interact with them. It's just a stick to slap the political hockey puck around with.
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