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Reply #30 - 05/06/19 at 08:19:45
 
T And T Garage wrote on 05/06/19 at 08:02:37:
pg wrote on 05/04/19 at 14:38:41:
thumperclone wrote on 05/04/19 at 13:33:18:
abusive behavior


And how do you describe all those comments directed toward JOG?



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On Twitter?  Last time I checked, this isn't Twitter.



When was it ever?  Yes,  I called him out!


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Reply #31 - 05/06/19 at 12:17:33
 
Unless someone is a part of a
Legally Protected Class
It's Fine to abuse them
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 Incorrect.  Also there was no abuse regarding Twitter, they did not abuse Woods, or Jones, or anyone.

 Twitter banning a user is allowed per the User Agreement.  Just like it can be done on this very forum.

 It is not a violation of the 1st Amendment.

 Claiming or saying Jones is "protected" does not make him a Protected Class.

 If he was a Protected Class, he could still be banned by Twitter due to the User Agreement, and it would still not amount to a violation of his 1st Amendment rights.

 If a known Protected Class is banned from Twitter, that is not a violation of their 1st Amendment rights.

 Why is this hard to understand?  Why can't people use the appropriate laws to define what's happening, given they even exist, instead of jumping through a million language hoops to somehow tie Twitter EULA to the 1st Amendment?  
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Reply #32 - 05/06/19 at 13:03:58
 
Incorrect.  Also there was no abuse regarding Twitter, they did not abuse Woods, or Jones, or anyone.

Doing so for having opinions that differ from the lefty religion is Bullshit and you know it.
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Reply #33 - 05/06/19 at 13:13:49
 
Eegore wrote on 05/06/19 at 12:17:33:
 Incorrect.  Also there was no abuse regarding Twitter, they did not abuse Woods, or Jones, or anyone.
 


How do you describe denying the use of a service?  

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Reply #34 - 05/06/19 at 19:09:06
 
"How do you describe denying the use of a service?"

 An End User License Agreement, or a Terms of Service, or anything similar to that.

 You guys classify Twitter removing customers as abuse?

 Or only the customers you like?

 Again, they agreed to this.  Just as we agree on here.  Would you really call and file abuse charges on a moderator here if you were banned from this forum?

 What grounds would you have?

 What happened to the Capitalist concept of freedom to run your business and let the consumer decide if you succeed?  If a Millennial were calling this abuse they would be a snowflake.
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Reply #35 - 05/06/19 at 20:01:49
 
What happened to the Capitalist concept of freedom to run your business and let the consumer decide if you succeed?

When that principle was in effect and
Certain People
Couldn't order a burger
You cried foul.
You're as bigoted as the racists of years gone by.

ALL of the social media is lefty.
They thrive in an echo chamber
And refuse to allow dissent.
The market can't correct it.
Unless someone who isn't a lefty starts some competing platform.
But why not just allow dissent?
Argue the points.
Win on merit.
But, we know why that is not gonna happen.
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Reply #36 - 05/06/19 at 20:53:02
 
"When that principle was in effect and
Certain People
Couldn't order a burger
You cried foul.
You're as bigoted as the racists of years gone by
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 I don't recall ever having an opinion on the matter.  What are you even talking about?

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Reply #37 - 05/06/19 at 21:56:12
 
What happened to the Capitalist concept of freedom to run your business and let the consumer decide if you succeed?

I'm talking about how a free market works.
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Reply #38 - 05/07/19 at 04:00:54
 
Eegore wrote on 05/06/19 at 19:09:06:
"How do you describe denying the use of a service?"

 An End User License Agreement, or a Terms of Service, or anything similar to that.

 You guys classify Twitter removing customers as abuse?

 What grounds would you have?



https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies#twitter-rules

Feel free to take a look....

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Reply #39 - 05/07/19 at 06:24:01
 
"You're as bigoted as the racists of years gone by."
 
 I don't consider Jones to be a race.  Nor do I consider any political affiliation to be a race so claiming I am racist is a stretch at best.

 I do however agree that Civil Rights is a closer examination of how social media should work than the 1st Amendment.

 Maybe this format will help:  You want to legally prosecute Twitter for banning James Woods:

Choose
The
Correct
Law
or
Amendment
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Reply #40 - 05/07/19 at 06:30:39
 

"Feel free to take a look...."

 Maybe there is a misunderstanding.  I am very familiar with Twitter terms of use as I use it regularly with my business and employees, or "underlings" as they have been called.

 I see nothing that would hold up in court that would substantiate a claim of "abuse" by Twitter for banning any member.  Feel free to take a look and let me know where you see Twitter violating their Terms of Use in a fashion that creates an abusive environment for James Woods, or Alex Jones.

 Again" Pick the correct law.  Trying to make everything 1st Amendment, or "Abuse" will legally get you nowhere.
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Reply #41 - 05/07/19 at 07:42:55
 
Ohhh, forgetful people.
I'm NOT saying they are doing anything
Illegal.
Not everything that's wrong is, you know.
I have a real good batting average on seeing what is and isn't happening.
Like, I was right, about the baker.
And, I tried to get people to understand how the ndaa was gonna work.
This particular mess is pure chikkinshit.
Lefties are delighted to see those people who they disagree with silenced.
You show me one place where I said doing that was illegal or unconstitutional.
But, does everything HAVE to have the weight of law on it? Where is it written that unless it's a law, you can just do what you want?
Crap on people. Shove them aside.
Silence them. It's okay.
Because there is no law against it.

YOU LEFTIES RUN THAT MARKET.
YOU SHOULD BE FIGHTING FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BEING SILENCED.
BUT, YOU SNICKER AND CELEBRATE.
AND YOU WOULD GO NUTS IF THE SHOE WAS ON THE OTHER FOOT.
HYPOCRITES
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Reply #42 - 05/07/19 at 09:21:23
 
Eegore wrote on 05/06/19 at 19:09:06:
  Or only the customers you like?

What happened to the Coffee Shop, that would not serve a Police person ?

Is that liking one costumer, and not liking another ?
Is that not a prejudice or racist decision/attitude ?

What happened to that decision of that Coffee shop ?

Why is not any decision/resolve about that place, constantly on the News, like the issue with a Baker was ?



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Ben Franklin once said: "If you give up a freedom, for the sake of security, you will have neither".
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Reply #43 - 05/07/19 at 09:58:01
 
"But, does everything HAVE to have the weight of law on it? Where is it written that unless it's a law, you can just do what you want?
Crap on people. Shove them aside.
Silence them. It's okay.
Because there is no law against it
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 Incorrect.  I already agreed with you when I said "I agree that social media is a toolset that is prone to abuse and as such should have some legal reform."

 I very specifically am addressing the claim that Twitter is violating Jones/Woods etc. 1st Amendment rights.  This is untrue.

 If... if one was to present legal argument at least have the ability to choose the correct laws and rights to reference in argument.  Stop trying to manipulate the 1st Amendment into social media reform, instead use civil rights, use discrimination.  Do not use "abuse" when being banned from a service as the burden of proof is so ridiculously high for something like this that it would be more trouble than its worth.

 To clarify:  Choose the Correct Laws to Reference when pushing Reform or taking legal action.
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Reply #44 - 05/07/19 at 10:03:29
 
"Is that liking one costumer, and not liking another ?

Yes.

Is that not a prejudice or racist decision/attitude ?

 It is not racist, we have already had discussions defining this, you clearly can not, or refuse to separate race from prejudice by definition.

What happened to that decision of that Coffee shop ?

 They decided to no longer serve law enforcement.

Why is not any decision/resolve about that place, constantly on the News, like the issue with a Baker was ?

 We have already discussed this.  Media outlets do not allocate equal time to events.  They do not run exactly 15 minutes of sports with exactly 20 seconds allotted to every team in a league, and also do not allot 50 minutes of weather coverage with exactly 1 minute per state.  For instance with the coffee shop versus the baker, I look at the actual court documents.  The real event references and documentation is where I go, where instead you look at an internet article about a coffee shop.  It makes sense to me that a real court case would get more coverage than an internet article, but I do not own any news outlets nor research their content.

 Economically media outlets could not function profitably or with current news if they required equal coverage.

 The problem is people use the "news" for data instead of research centers with verifiable peer-reviewed information.  The information provided is privately owned internet sites that can pick and choose their coverage and people wonder why the coverage content is not accurate or is prejudiced in coverage, unless its a site they like.  
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