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Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single
Reply #15 - 05/02/19 at 12:29:57

Anybody who has ridden a Moto guzzi or a Ducati knows the advantages of perfect primary balance.

This design is more or less a 90* V twin without the piston, cylinder, valve gear etc. I'm not sure of all the engineering principal's involved but I'm certain the esteemed gentlemen at Hamamatsu have compared it to a balance shaft and deemed it to have merit.

My main comment is that it appears to need a lot of crankcase volume to house all the parts. But on the plus side it looks like it might be lighter than a balance shaft, and It has less rotating mass.

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batman Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 3806 osceola new york Gender:	Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single Reply #16 - 05/02/19 at 13:29:27 Crank case volume being higher is probably a plus, it gives the air trapped under the piston when moving down, in the intake and power stroke, more room to expand ,lessening the pressure , and power needed to keep rpm up, therefore increasing hP output. Dragsters now use vacuum pumps to do the same thing.
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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single Reply #17 - 05/02/19 at 19:36:41 What I meant Batman was the size of the crankcase. Volume was a bad word choice.
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zipidachimp Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1417 surrey, b.c. Gender:	Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single Reply #18 - 05/02/19 at 22:57:01 Ducati Super-mono cross-sections; https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/89/76/af89764da3040e422ee3107cac272cb4.jpg http://www.motoliam.com/photos/ML1774.jpg https://digilander.libero.it/desmo851/images/supermonoeng3.jpg
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Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single
Reply #19 - 05/03/19 at 03:09:03

zipidachimp wrote on 05/02/19 at 22:57:01:

Ducati Super-mono cross-sections;

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/89/76/af89764da3040e422ee3107cac272cb4.jpg

http://www.motoliam.com/photos/ML1774.jpg

https://digilander.libero.it/desmo851/images/supermonoeng3.jpg
Cool

When I saw Suzuki design I thought of Ducati Mono.
It is a shame that Ducati sat on that design Maybe for the reason(s) Batman and others have mentioned

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Reply #20 - 05/03/19 at 08:24:39

Anybody who has ridden a Moto guzzi or a Ducati knows the advantages of perfect primary balance.

Suzuki has a good history of "Doin't fix , what ain't Broken" , That's my biggest reason for liking them !

I'm impressed with the Moto-Guzzi/Harley smoothness being 90 deg. and can see where the Suzuki 90 deg. balance can work ...
BUT
The BMW 180 deg thing seems like the better idea , if ya don't mind having a "Taller Motor" to make room for it ?

I'm keeping my Savage and my Guzzi , they're both easy to like !

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Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single
Reply #21 - 05/03/19 at 10:12:57

Our rotational counter balancer dampens out the fore/aft vibration while adding a up/down vibration.
The up/down vibration can be handled by the crank, but as the piston only goes up and down, the added weight of the crank is not balanced in the fore/aft direction.
This link balancer will dampen that better than the rotational one.

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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single Reply #22 - 05/03/19 at 10:42:46 Versy, Should we continue to breath while waiting for the big S to fit it to our little S40?
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verslagen1 YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline Where there's a will, I want to be in it. Posts: 28888 L.A. California Gender:	Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single Reply #23 - 05/03/19 at 12:07:54 norm92de wrote on 05/03/19 at 10:42:46: Versy, Should we continue to breath while waiting for the big S to fit it to our little S40? You mean you haven't been holding your breath for kick starter?
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norm92de Serious Thumper Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 1180 El Paso TX Gender:	Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single Reply #24 - 05/03/19 at 12:39:42 I don't know about you Versy but a kick starter would probably be redundant in my case. If Suzuki were going to put the balancer on they might as well give us a new cylinder head while they are at it
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Junker YaBB Newbies Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 43	Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single Reply #25 - 05/08/19 at 19:22:10 Is this similar to the current KTM 690 Duke/Svartpilen/Vitpilen engine?
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Dave YaBB Moderator ModSquad Offline SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 18101 Camp Springs, Kentucky Gender:	Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single Reply #26 - 05/09/19 at 00:57:36 Junker wrote on 05/08/19 at 19:22:10: Is this similar to the current KTM 690 Duke/Svartpilen/Vitpilen engine? ????????
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Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single
Reply #27 - 05/11/19 at 21:45:37

Similar in design to that of Suzuki's possible new counter balanced single.

If there is some confusion regarding the mentioned bikes ..

KTM 690 Duke:
https://www.ktm.com/us/naked/690-duke/

Husqvarna Svartpilen:
https://www.husqvarna-motorcycles.com/us/svartpilen/svartpilen-701/

https://ultimatemotorcycling.com/2019/04/01/2019-husqvarna-svartpilen-701-review
-17-fast-facts/

Husqvarna Vitpilen:
https://www.husqvarna-motorcycles.com/us/vitpilen/vitpilen-701/

Interesting enough; Ryan FortNine in his review of the Husqvarna Vitpilen, subtly sums up it's single cylinder platform as ... the Savage Shocked

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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10668 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single Reply #28 - 05/24/19 at 18:04:59 I SAVAGE ? Of course !
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LANCER Serious Thumper Alliance Member Offline Savage Beast Performance Parts Posts: 10668 Oklahoma Gender:	Re: Suzuki Patents New Counter-Balanced Single Reply #29 - 05/24/19 at 18:11:29 Ruttly wrote on 05/01/19 at 16:47:33: I have always wondered what a 695cc thumper would be like with the counter balancer removed. Maybe I'll try it some day just for fun. Look for a 1950’s BSA Goldstar 500 with a 12.5:1 piston in it.
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