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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Electronic Surveillance is not Spying 04/12/19 at 14:06:10 https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/11/comey_ive_never_thought_of... Best regards,
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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Reply #1 - 04/12/19 at 14:34:34 well, surveillance isn't spying so... um, duh?
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justin_o_guy2 Serious Thumper Offline What happened? Posts: 55279 East Texas, 1/2 dallas/la.	Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Reply #2 - 04/12/19 at 14:49:39 A distinction without a difference. Whoda guessed? Get a thesaurus. Free, online Synonyms for surveillance care control examination inspection scrutiny supervision vigilance wiretap bug direction eye lookout spying
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Reply #3 - 04/12/19 at 15:10:27

not at all....

spying is illegal. whether it's done by a nation or an individual, a foreigner in your nation spying it illegal in that nation that is being spied upon....

surveillance is lawful and indeed advanced by government officials to gather information for a legal case against a suspect

legal vs illegal VERY big difference

can legal surveillance be abused sure... and that's the question, if the system was played against Trump in an abusive corrupt fashion, and not just to answer justifiable questions

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Reply #4 - 04/12/19 at 15:13:09

oh and:

synonym noun
syn·o·nym | \ ˈsi-nə-ˌnim \
Definition of synonym
1 : one of two or more words or expressions of the same language that have the same or nearly the same meaning in some or all senses
2a : a word or phrase that by association is held to embody something (such as a concept or quality)
a tyrant whose name has become a synonym for oppression
b : METONYM
3 : one of two or more scientific names used to designate the same taxonomic group

nearly the same is NOT the same, and in some sense not all...

shades of grey my friend.... open your eyes

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LostArtist Ex Member	Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Reply #5 - 04/12/19 at 15:31:18 I'm really starting to wonder if conservatives just don't read.... or at least not every word.... hence the many times I question the reading comprehension of many on this board.
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pg Serious Thumper Offline Posts: 5273 In Transit	Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Reply #6 - 04/12/19 at 17:56:45 Now that is has come to light that the dossier was paid for by a political adversary, unverified, and used illegally in the FISA process; hereafter, the methods used to gather information constitute spying. Best regards,
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Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying
Reply #7 - 04/12/19 at 18:09:34

spy verb
\ ˈspī \
spied; spying
Definition of spy (Entry 1 of 2)
transitive verb

1 : to watch secretly usually for hostile purposes
2 : to catch sight of : SEE
3 : to search or look for intensively —usually used with out
spy out places fit for vending … goods
— S. E. Morison
intransitive verb

1 : to observe or search for something : LOOK
2 : to watch secretly as a spy
spy noun
plural spies
Definition of spy (Entry 2 of 2)
1 : one that spies:
a : one who keeps secret watch on a person or thing to obtain information
b : a person employed by one nation to secretly convey classified information of strategic importance to another nation
also : a person who conveys the trade secrets of one company to another
2 : an act of spying
Synonyms

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Reply #8 - 04/12/19 at 18:10:27

spying
Also found in: Thesaurus, Legal, Idioms, Encyclopedia, Wikipedia.
spy (spī)
n. pl. spies (spīz)
1. One who secretly collects information concerning the enemies of a government or group.
2. One who secretly collects information for a business about one or more of its competitors.
3. One who secretly keeps watch on another or others.
v. spied (spīd), spy·ing, spies (spīz)
v.tr.
1. To watch or observe secretly: was sent to spy out the enemy camp.
2. To discover by close observation: "[They] are continually prowling about on all three decks, eager to spy out iniquities" (Herman Melville).
3. To catch sight of; see: spied the ship on the horizon.
v.intr.
1. To engage in espionage.
2. To investigate or observe something, especially in secret: spying into the neighbor's activities.

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Eegore Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8406	Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Reply #9 - 04/13/19 at 00:17:04 One can conduct electronic surveillance without spying. One can spy without using electronic surveillance. What's hard to understand about that?
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Reply #10 - 04/13/19 at 03:43:00

Eegore wrote on 04/13/19 at 00:17:04:

One can conduct electronic surveillance without spying.

One can spy without using electronic surveillance.

What's hard to understand about that?

Do you believe these practices are legal, ethical, and should be utilized in the future by rival political groups?

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Eegore Serious Thumper Online SuzukiSavage.com Rocks! Posts: 8406	Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying Reply #11 - 04/13/19 at 05:19:34 "Do you believe these practices are legal, ethical, and should be utilized in the future by rival political groups?" Yes.
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Reply #12 - 04/13/19 at 09:07:24

Oooops...
Sorry guys, I just accidentally deleted a post by Raydawg...

The jist was,... I guess it all depends on the definition of "IS"...

I was trying to quote it, and hit the wrong button.
No intended slight.

Serow

Anyway...
I had intended on saying it's what the definition of "WARRANT" is...
..and, they were surveilling members of the Trump campaign that were suspected of illegal cooperation with foreign enemies that were tampering with our election, not the Trump campaign itself.
That's not spying,.. it's catching spies...

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Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying
Reply #13 - 04/13/19 at 09:32:20

pg wrote on 04/12/19 at 17:56:45:

Now that is has come to light that the dossier was paid for by a political adversary, unverified, and used illegally in the FISA process; hereafter, the methods used to gather information constitute spying.

Best regards,

actually, nothing ILLEGAL has been proved, just fantasized about by your partisan idiot brethren

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Re: Electronic Surveillance is not Spying
Reply #14 - 04/13/19 at 09:56:34

Serowbot wrote on 04/13/19 at 09:07:24:

Oooops...
Sorry guys, I just accidentally deleted a post by Raydawg...

The jist was,... I guess it all depends on the definition of "IS"...

I was trying to quote it, and hit the wrong button.
No intended slight.

Serow

Anyway...
I had intended on saying it's what the definition of "WARRANT" is...
..and, they were surveilling members of the Trump campaign that were suspected of illegal cooperation with foreign enemies that were tampering with our election, not the Trump campaign itself.
That's not spying,.. it's catching spies...

AGAIN....... Grin

Its all depends on what the definition of IS - IS Kiss

The act of spying is trying to uncover information to be used for whatever reason its needed, and yes its legal, AND illegal, and should be decided accordingly.

In this case, was it legal....yes, as the warrants allowed such, that is not the question being asked.....
Were they granted on false information, lies, etc.....

That is a whole different issue, and to my understanding, what is going to be looked at now, as it should, because new information has come to light in testimony of Mueller's investigation.

Don't we ALL have a vested interest in finding out the truth?

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