I was watching AOC after Amazon pulled out of NY......

I realize perhaps it not really fair to use her as any sort of "monitor" representing the democrat party, having been elected with about only 4% voter turnout....however, lots of other folks are jumping on board with her, so even weakly elected numbers wise, she is resonating and rising quickly to a position of power and reckoning.
I give her high marks on her her politico savvy.

The question; Do you think she is the beginning of a new party?

We saw sorta the same thing with the Tea Party and the republicans, which never seemed to capitalize on all the resources that brought them into the game.
I would venture to say most of that power was generated from a sick and tired perspective of governments handling of things....

The difference here is that AOC is pushing forward a whole new agenda, a real choice, and she appears to not be surrendering to the old stalwarts of power in DC.

It is like getting the energy from the "sick and tired" folks, and coupling it to a new approach, based on ideas.....and not beholden to the baggage of folk like Sanders, who have been boosted to a level nationally, like he has never enjoyed before, with this energy.

Trump got a lot of this energy of disenfranchised voters, however, the core of his message was to go backwards, to go forward, and that leaves a bad taste in the mouths of those who didn't have such a great past, etc. but it was thee "anti" vote that put him over the top.

Which you can then debate, rightly or wrongly, (which I won't) what AOC is promoting, but at least its out there, and proving to be a lightning rod for activity.

I see stories in the democrat party saying she is giving 2020 to Trump....
I am not so certain of that, seems based on the scare tactics of the past, more than what appears to be transpiring currently (polling) and the fact the "old guards" of Washington are dying off, abandoning ship, and being exposed to the deeds of their power structuring and mongering.....

It has been said, over and over, and over again, a third party can't happen here, I am not so sure about that. This has been simmering on the stove since Ross Perot, but that very power structure has had the resources to squash any real traction as such.  

Will 2020 be the year of "another choice" for folks?        

Eegore wrote on 02/15/19 at 10:34:39:


Oh, you haven't heard of her, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez?

Below she tweeted this about Amazon:

“Anything is possible: today was the day a group of dedicated, everyday New Yorkers & their neighbors defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tweeted

Here is a link to this story:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/14/amazon-hq2-flunked-politics-new-yor...

She is also the author of the "Green Deal" that she wants to implement.
Most of those currently running for the nomination of that party for president have signed on to it as well.

Here is the resolution: https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-
Deal-Resolution

Here is the framework:

What are the specifics of that framework?

The bill calls for a "10-year national mobilizations" toward accomplishing a series of goals that the resolution lays out.


Among the most prominent, the deal calls for "meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources." The ultimate goal is to stop using fossil fuels entirely, Ocasio-Cortez's office told NPR, as well as to transition away from nuclear energy.

"upgrading all existing buildings" in the country for energy efficiency;

working with farmers "to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions ... as much as is technologically feasible"

"Overhauling transportation systems" to reduce emissions — including expanding electric car manufacturing, building "charging stations everywhere," and expanding high-speed rail to "a scale where air travel stops becoming necessary";

A guaranteed job "with a family-sustaining wage, adequate family and medical leave, paid vacations and retirement security" for every American;

"High-quality health care" for all Americans.

Hope that helps  

I think it goes back further than Trump and 2016, do you not recall Ross Perot?
He was drawing folks from both sides of the spectrum.
I still think "they" got to him and scared the crap outta him, the guy just disappeared....he had way more support than Sanders, and more from centralist too, the so called swing vote.

Where do you think the old school democrats, that are telling AOC to cool it, go, that are in district that won't carry that progressive agenda?

Accountability to constituents, or to a new party power leadership, trying to do both, has caused so much of the problems we are witnessing in politics it seems.

Maybe 4 choices.....that would be nice!  

raydawg wrote on 02/16/19 at 15:17:53:

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Maybe. But consider this. 2024 is a little less than six years from now. Think back six years. Did you then envision a President the likes of Trump, and the astonishment and outright hatred that his election elicited in at least half the population? The unrelenting campaign of the losing party to find a way to remove him from office by any means necessary, talk of impeachment for non existent  crimes, the endless special council  Russian collusion investigation, suggestions all over social media and from the entertainment industry that someone assassinate him. Or the recent revelation that high ranking officials in the DOG seriously discussed the possibility of a quasi-legal coup to get rid of him?

Did you think, six years ago, that a 29 year old ex bartender without a brain in her head would become the spokesperson for the progressive wing of the democrat party? Or that two virulently antisemitic muslim females, who unapologetically express their disdain for everything that made this country what is is, and want to remake it in the image of the culture that they come from, would be elected to the House of Representatives?

Six years. Think about what might happen if events continue on their present trajectory. Think about what it might mean in your locale, to your family and friends, if something like the scenario I described actually came to pass. What would you be forced to do? Just thinking about it, even if you don't do anything else, will put you light years ahead of everyone else when it comes time to deal with an unexpected turn of events.

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And when that doesn't happen, and the folks expecting more from government than it can possibly deliver don't get what they have been led to believe they are entitled to, is when the trouble starts.


Of course, the people who have dedicated their lives to promoting all those impossible, illusory, expectations, will naturally try to blame those of us who have been saying all along that the house of cards is going to come crashing down. You know, the horrible conservatives like me.

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For the majority of people, who are not ever paying attention, EVERYTHING seems like it happens overnight. And their first response will be a colossal WTF!!!

oldNslow wrote on 02/17/19 at 08:38:29:

I look forward to a future of AOCs and Betos.  They will not take money from PACs or dark money.  They will be owned only by their constituents.  What a "crazy" concept, huh?  

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And you might very well get one. But I don't think you are going to like it much if you do. I don't think it's going to be quite what you imagine it to be.